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What's new with Electrify America

In a recent article on Ars Technica, we learned some new things about EA's status and some things that are upcoming:

  • A total of 484 sites will be operational by the end of the year (this is some slippage, it had been July). Out of the these, the design and engineering is complete for all but two. About 30 sites are still submitting permits; 370 sites have all permits and are in construction; 267 have had construction completed, and 158 are already in use.
  • EA will also be implementing ISO 15118 plug-and-charge by the end of the year.
  • EA will have a membership plan, at about $4 a month for reduced prices.
  • EA will have tired pricing. 0-75kW for older EVs like the Chevrolet Bolt or Nissan Leaf, as well as any Tesla using a CCS adapter dongle; 76kW-125kW; and 126kW-350kW. The tier is determined by car model, not the user or battery SoC.
  • An app (that you can use for NFC authorized charging) looks to be pretty much done and ready to go.
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It's also worth comparing EA's early phase-I plans to the current version.

Plan from several months ago:



Current Plan:



I'd love to overlay them, but they shape of the maps is different. (Grr.)
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Also, from the comments, apparently faster charging EVs are a pain.

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Also, given what Palazzo told us about demand charges received by EA from utilities, I would think they'd prefer to have more people charging at up to 75kW. "When we were testing the Audi e-tron demonstrating charging 3 cars, that was 450kW at once, for 25 min charging. We got a bill for almost $1500 [from the utility]! That's not a cost you can pass on the to customer so have to have a solution to make the business viable."

[This is a direct quote but I didn't include it in the story because it was getting long enough already and would have required a digression about demand pricing for utilities.]
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Also, from the comments, apparently faster charging EVs are a pain.
Demand charges are the main obstacle standing in the way of fast charging providers being profitable. I can only imagine the demand chargers the 40 stall Tesla Supercharger site at Kettleman racks up when all 40 stalls are full with charging Teslas. Or an EA site in the future with 10 Porsche Taycons charging at ~350 kW.
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In a recent article on Ars Technica, we learned some new things about EA's status and some things that are upcoming:

  • A total of 484 sites will be operational by the end of the year (this is some slippage, it had been July). Out of the these, the design and engineering is complete for all but two. About 30 sites are still submitting permits; 370 sites have all permits and are in construction; 267 have had construction completed, and 158 are already in use.
  • EA will also be implementing ISO 15118 plug-and-charge by the end of the year.
  • EA will have a membership plan, at about $4 a month for reduced prices.
  • EA will have tired pricing. 0-75kW for older EVs like the Chevrolet Bolt or Nissan Leaf, as well as any Tesla using a CCS adapter dongle; 76kW-125kW; and 126kW-350kW. The tier is determined by car model, not the user or battery SoC.
  • An app (that you can use for NFC authorized charging) looks to be pretty much done and ready to go.
All of that is good news to me. Looks like they might be listening considering the tiered charging pricing.
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Also, from the comments, apparently faster charging EVs are a pain.
That kind of goes back to the report about battery systems being installed at some EA locations (or at least EA looking to install) to help with that.
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Demand charges are the main obstacle standing in the way of fast charging providers being profitable. I can only imagine the demand chargers the 40 stall Tesla Supercharger site at Kettleman racks up when all 40 stalls are full with charging Teslas. Or an EA site in the future with 10 Porsche Taycons charging at ~350 kW.
True. And this is why many networks (Electrify America, EVGo, and of course Tesla) are adding batteries to their stations. If you can lower the demand by shifting the energy pulled from the grid, you could save a ton of money.

https://electricrevs.com/2019/02/04/...tions-in-2019/
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How many of the 484 stations are cycle 1 and how many are cycle 2?
It's also good news that EA is partnering with auto manufacturers to provide free or reduced cost charging. Are you listening Chevy??
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How many of the 484 stations are cycle 1 and how many are cycle 2?
All 484 stations are cycle 1, as shown in the maps I posted.
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Demand charges are the main obstacle standing in the way of fast charging providers being profitable. I can only imagine the demand chargers the 40 stall Tesla Supercharger site at Kettleman racks up when all 40 stalls are full with charging Teslas. Or an EA site in the future with 10 Porsche Taycons charging at ~350 kW.
True. And this is why many networks (Electrify America, EVGo, and of course Tesla) are adding batteries to their stations. If you can lower the demand by shifting the energy pulled from the grid, you could save a ton of money.

https://electricrevs.com/2019/02/04/...tions-in-2019/
You will save some money, but not much, because batteries are expensive so your capital costs increase (the batteries have a service life and given that they are used 10x as much as a car battery will only last a couple of years, then you have disposal costs and new acquisition costs).
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