[Fausty]

Start with pleasant surprises, the seats are definitely more cushioned, the 2017 seats never bothered me even on longer trips but these new ones are more comfortable. HD camera is a big improvement and now has dedicated button to switch between split and fullscreen view, much more useful. Separate buttons for heat and ac, a minor but welcomed detail. The rearview mirror has a new more modern sort've rimless design, I like it. Improved suspension and smoother ride but still fun to drive. As for minor disappointments: No improvement to maximum charging rate, i would call this major but Chevy wasn't promising it in this update so can't complain too much, but I was holding out hope that it would've seen a bump along with the new battery chemistry, at least to match Kona/Niro/Soul, on the plus side of course is the extra 21 miles of range and better cold temp battery performance. The steering wheel feels different, and this is totally subjective but I prefer the softer more cushioned feel of the wheel on the 2017 Premier. The wireless charging pocket in the console has not been improved, it's still ridiculously too narrow, whose wireless phone fits in this thing? Not my iphone 8 plus, useless. Lock/unlock buttons removed from rear doors, not a huge deal unless you really like the convenience. Things I would've loved to see but have to hold out hope for 2021 redesign: Faster DC charging, better taper curve, adaptive cruise control, power driver seat with memory settings, auto power folding mirrors. Not too much to ask for, I hope...

 

[surgeonFWW]

As for minor disappointments: No improvement to maximum charging rate, i would call this major but Chevy wasn't promising it in this update so can't complain too much, but I was holding out hope that it would've seen a bump along with the new battery chemistry, at least to match Kona/Niro/Soul, on the plus side of course is the extra 21 miles of range and better cold temp battery performance. Things I would've loved to see but have to hold out hope for 2021 redesign: Faster DC charging, better taper curve, adaptive cruise control...

Here in WV, we have NO SAE-CCS plugs for DCFC (DC Level 2) in the entire State, and only one DCSC (DV Level 1). That infrastructure change is the first thing on my list of wants. As far as EV factors are concerned, I would not pay more for increased range, but the max charge rate is second on my list. Any EV charging at 50 kW will never make it as a "travel + commuting" car and be relegated to the latter use. We do not have to get that 350 kW max, but 100 kW "as a minimum" is my desire. Coming in third on my list is the better taper "step down" (not really a "curve"). Lastly, agreeing with you, ACC would be a very appreciated change.

 

[Fausty]

Here in WV, we have NO SAE-CCS plugs for DCFC (DC Level 2) in the entire State, and only one DCSC (DV Level 1). That infrastructure change is the first thing on my list of wants. As far as EV factors are concerned, I would not pay more for increased range, but the max charge rate is second on my list. Any EV charging at 50 kW will never make it as a "travel + commuting" car and be relegated to the latter use. We do not have to get that 350 kW max, but 100 kW "as a minimum" is my desire. Coming in third on my list is the better taper "step down" (not really a "curve"). Lastly, agreeing with you, ACC would be a very appreciated change.

Just looked at Electrify America's map and that is unfortunate about no chargers in WV, it's time to advocate, go direct to your local reps and the major charging networks, never hurts to ask and you never know, you just might be the catalyst to get things going. I hear you about range/max kW and the latter would have been greatly appreciated, but personally I make the Bolt work even on +400 plus mile trips, with age I've come to enjoy less stressful driving and for me that's taking a break every few hours to stretch, bathroom, coffee, exercise or just relaxing.

 

[ricardocabesa]

Hey, guys. I just bought a 2020 LT from Donohoo Chevrolet. I drove it home today. The listed price on their website was $24295 (LT, Summit White, dcfc, comfort, and driver 1 package). They added $199 for doc fee, bringing the grand total to $24494. I paid $1000 deposit and brought a check for the balance. The salesman was great. There was zero pressure and no upselling. I am responsible for TN state sales tax, title, and tag.

So, no, their price is not BS. If you'd like picture of the bill of sale, I'll be happy. The deal went so smoothly.

I really wanted the blue Bolt LT, but didn't want to pay an extra $500 for driver 2 package.

PM me for salesman name and email.

Good luck finding a great deal. I did not expect to find a 2020 in January at a great price. It pushed me to buy and now I'm really happy. At $25k, I think the Bolt EV is hands-down the best EV currently available. Nothing is comparable at that price.
Jurgen

So it was 28-29k all in? (Sorry,I don't know how this reply was inserted into this thread and I can't delete it).

 

[rajeevs]

good points, also, I was hoping with 2020 there would be provision to extend the visor/sun shade on the driver side, its very annoying when sun hits you and cant completely dodge it in sunny California. My 7 year old noticed that there is no back pocket for the driver and passenger seats, never paid attention to that !!!

 

[longshot21771]

Here in WV, we have NO SAE-CCS plugs for DCFC (DC Level 2) in the entire State, and only one DCSC (DV Level 1). That infrastructure change is the first thing on my list of wants. As far as EV factors are concerned, I would not pay more for increased range, but the max charge rate is second on my list. Any EV charging at 50 kW will never make it as a "travel + commuting" car and be relegated to the latter use. We do not have to get that 350 kW max, but 100 kW "as a minimum" is my desire. Coming in third on my list is the better taper "step down" (not really a "curve"). Lastly, agreeing with you, ACC would be a very appreciated change.

There is one in Morgantown Triple S harley

 

[surgeonFWW]

There is one in Morgantown Triple S harley

That Harley DC station is 24 kW, well below the maximum of 48 kW for a DC Level 1 EVSE. {DC Level 1 = up to 48 kW; DC Level 2 = up to 400 kW} Although no designation of DCSC exists, and both AC levels {AC Level 1 = up to 1.92 kW; AC Level 2 = up to 19.2 kW} are slower than the Morgantown EVSE, I can't, in all honesty, refer to 24 kW as DCFC. I understand that even though the 2020 Bolt EV shares the same max charge rate (50 kW) as my 2017 model, the "step-downs" for DCFC are extended to higher SoCs, leading to an overall faster charge.

 

[longshot21771]

Yeah I used it for the first time and it only ran

That Harley DC station is 24 kW, well below the maximum of 48 kW for a DC Level 1 EVSE. {DC Level 1 = up to 48 kW; DC Level 2 = up to 400 kW} Although no designation of DCSC exists, and both AC levels {AC Level 1 = up to 1.92 kW; AC Level 2 = up to 19.2 kW} are slower than the Morgantown EVSE, I can't, in all honesty, refer to 24 kW as DCFC. I understand that even though the 2020 Bolt EV shares the same max charge rate (50 kW) as my 2017 model, the "step-downs" for DCFC are extended to higher SoCs, leading to an overall faster charge.

At 2

That Harley DC station is 24 kW, well below the maximum of 48 kW for a DC Level 1 EVSE. {DC Level 1 = up to 48 kW; DC Level 2 = up to 400 kW} Although no designation of DCSC exists, and both AC levels {AC Level 1 = up to 1.92 kW; AC Level 2 = up to 19.2 kW} are slower than the Morgantown EVSE, I can't, in all honesty, refer to 24 kW as DCFC. I understand that even though the 2020 Bolt EV shares the same max charge rate (50 kW) as my 2017 model, the "step-downs" for DCFC are extended to higher SoCs, leading to an overall faster charge.

Yeah I used it for the first time and it was running only at 20kw it took forever. I called Chargepoint and they talked like it should be running more than that. They reimbursed me the money back, which was really nice of them. Wonder what we need to do around here to get more DC fast chargers?

 

[longshot21771]

good points, also, I was hoping with 2020 there would be provision to extend the visor/sun shade on the driver side, its very annoying when sun hits you and cant completely dodge it in sunny California. My 7 year old noticed that there is no back pocket for the driver and passenger seats, never paid attention to that !!!

I think there's back pockets. Now I'm second guessing myself. I'll have to look tomorrow lol

 

[surgeonFWW]

Wonder what we need to do around here to get more DC fast chargers? [/QUOTE]

As Secretary of the WVEAA {www.wveaa.org} my reply is for all WV EV drivers to join us as we educate and inform the government as to how the lack of DCFC keeps EV drivers from OH, KY, VA, MD, & PA from entering/crossing our state and spending their tourism money here!! We need incentives for EVs as well as for EVSE!

 

[Fausty]

That Harley DC station is 24 kW, well below the maximum of 48 kW for a DC Level 1 EVSE. {DC Level 1 = up to 48 kW; DC Level 2 = up to 400 kW} Although no designation of DCSC exists, and both AC levels {AC Level 1 = up to 1.92 kW; AC Level 2 = up to 19.2 kW} are slower than the Morgantown EVSE, I can't, in all honesty, refer to 24 kW as DCFC. I understand that even though the 2020 Bolt EV shares the same max charge rate (50 kW) as my 2017 model, the "step-downs" for DCFC are extended to higher SoCs, leading to an overall faster charge.

You are correct about "step-downs", just completed ~800 mile roundtrip and used the EA 150 kW chargers and the 2020 Bolt does indeed have more of a "curve" taper, instead of going from about 54 kW to 34 kW at 55%SOC now it gradually declines, i.e. from 54, 53, 52 etc. and even up to and over 90%SOC I was still drawing ~22 kW, whereas with the 2017 Bolt I would be around 10-11 kW.

 

[GetOffYourGas]

You are correct about "step-downs", just completed ~800 mile roundtrip and used the EA 150 kW chargers and the 2020 Bolt does indeed have more of a "curve" taper, instead of going from about 54 kW to 34 kW at 55%SOC now it gradually declines, i.e. from 54, 53, 52 etc. and even up to and over 90%SOC I was still drawing ~22 kW, whereas with the 2017 Bolt I would be around 10-11 kW.

I wonder if this change in the curve is a hardware or software difference. If the latter, GM could in theory push it out to older Bolts. Not that they would ever do that.

I also wonder about the extra area under that curve. Obviously going from 55kW to 54kW instead of straight to 34kW gives you more energy for the same charging time. I wonder how much that difference accumulates over a typical charge session.

 

[XJ12]

Lock/unlock buttons removed from rear doors, not a huge deal unless you really like the convenience.

On my 2017, I leave my key in my pocket and use the driver's side rear door button to unlock the other side for my passenger so they don't have to wait. For safety reasons, the driver's front door side button only unlocks the driver's door. Thinking this is a downgrade from the prior year models.

 

[XJ12]

The Bolt is the first car that I've driven that had any camera. With the Premier, I tend to look at the rearview mirror camera display when backing up. Then use the bird's eye view for adjusting and stopping in a parking spot. The backup camera resolution isn't an issue, as anything is better than nothing from where I was before, but on the Premier, don't think it would matter. Unless the whole bird's eye resolution is improved, then maybe it would matter.

 

[MikeyBolt]

Those are good observations. I notice that some of the positives also apply to a 2019 (mine) vs a 2017 such as more padding in the seats and separate heat/AC. I'd like to have the HD camera but the biggest disappointment to me is no change in charge rate. I wish they could have found a way to increase it to a max of say 75kW at least. With that, I might have at least been tempted to "upgrade".

Mike

 

[LooseBolt]

Those are good observations. I notice that some of the positives also apply to a 2019 (mine) vs a 2017 such as more padding in the seats and separate heat/AC. I'd like to have the HD camera but the biggest disappointment to me is no change in charge rate. I wish they could have found a way to increase it to a max of say 75kW at least. With that, I might have at least been tempted to "upgrade".

Mike

I drive a 17 and haven't seen anything at all that would make me want to upgrade. I'm planning on retiring in a couple of years would like go from 2 cars to 1, but for that car to be a BEV it's going to need better numbers than the current crop of Bolts. We will see where GM goes with BEVs, but I'm sure not interested in the Hummer. I like the size, shape, and economy of the Bolt but it needs seriously better charging and somewhat improved range to be my only car. The rest, interior, cameras, power seats etc are secondary.

As far as my secondary desires, 2 zone heat/ac would be top of the list, then power seats, quieter interior, and cordless CarPlay (thinking about a 3rd party solution for my 17).

 

[Fausty]

The Bolt is the first car that I've driven that had any camera. With the Premier, I tend to look at the rearview mirror camera display when backing up. Then use the bird's eye view for adjusting and stopping in a parking spot. The backup camera resolution isn't an issue, as anything is better than nothing from where I was before, but on the Premier, don't think it would matter. Unless the whole bird's eye resolution is improved, then maybe it would matter.

I didn't like the old Premier display when backing up because of the split view and it using a smaller section of the screen, I actually preferred my wife's LT because it used the whole screen, however, the new Bolts ability to switch back and forth is great and the view is dramatically improved, I believe they also improved bird's eye view, anyone else out there confirm that?

 

[Fausty]

Those are good observations. I notice that some of the positives also apply to a 2019 (mine) vs a 2017 such as more padding in the seats and separate heat/AC. I'd like to have the HD camera but the biggest disappointment to me is no change in charge rate. I wish they could have found a way to increase it to a max of say 75kW at least. With that, I might have at least been tempted to "upgrade".

Mike

Yes you're right, max charge rate is still at about 55 kW, however, with improvements to taper and more efficient cooler weather battery peformance, the new 2020 Bolt does indeed see in improvement in overall charging rate, not as dramatic as a bump up to ~75 kW would have delivered, but it is improved and noticeable especially on long trips.

 

[Sean Nelson]

On my 2017, I leave my key in my pocket and use the driver's side rear door button to unlock the other side for my passenger so they don't have to wait. For safety reasons, the driver's front door side button only unlocks the driver's door. Thinking this is a downgrade from the prior year models.

Is it possible that the "Passive Door Unlock" option simply hasn't been set correctly? See page 145 in the 2017 Bolt owner's manual.

 

[XJ12]

Is it possible that the "Passive Door Unlock" option simply hasn't been set correctly? See page 145 in the 2017 Bolt owner's manual.

I suppose this is an option for a 2020 owner missing the rear door buttons. I might be okay with changing the setting. But I know my wife would not, as the default setting is safer. Imagine a stranger jumping in the other side when you're getting into your car.