Unfortunately that would be a no to both questions.

 

Well that is plain stupid and just took the Bolt off the list. The wife and I have very different seating positions. Homeline no a deal breaker, but non memory seats is. Such a shame as I wanted the Bolt so badly. Guess plan be is the AWD ID.4 I have on order for late this year.

 

Yes, we miss the memory seats and mirrors.
No, I just timed it and it took me twenty seconds to adjust the seat, mirrors and steering wheel. I timed our ICE and it took the seats ten seconds to get the seat and mirrors to the preset position. I still had to manually adjust the steering wheel. Is ten seconds saved so critical in your universe?
Maybe, your criteria, your money, your decision.

jack vines

 

I considered the ID4 but it is just way too big for me, 11 inches longer and over 3 inches wider than the EUV.

 

And about 2 seconds slower.

 

I am used to larger cars. Wife just traded 19 RDX for a Volvo XC40 T5, really nice size for her. I have driven Acura TLXs so the Bolt would be substantially smaller for me, but considering we just want it as an around town car it would have been perfect. Funny she wanted a Q3, but lack of memory seats in it took it right off list. Really would like to understand the marketing conversation that happens when they decide what to add or remove from a car. Some things like Homelink can be rectified after market, but memory seats and power lift gate are really almost must haves for many buyers.

The only thing the ID.4 is missing is surround cameras and homelink. Can live without the cameras, and a homelink accessory mirror is like $300 installed.

 

Also missing 1 pedal driving & paddle regeneration. It’s infotainment is really clumsy too.

 

Sorry OP, you are really in the wrong market if you are already choosing an EV based upon memory seats. Jokingly but not really there is only one measure that matters for an EV. How far will it arbitrarily go on one charge and then maybe how fast will it charge on the one trip a year I take 400 miles away. Anything beyond that with an EV right now and you are pissing into the wind. While it may sound trivial all of those little features add up on a car that they are rapidly trying to meet price parity with ICE. Once Cadillac starts selling EV's I am sure you will find your feature set there. Or, you could buy a Tesla. Your prior cars are easily in the price range of a M3 or possibly a MY.

Oh, if you buy a homelink accessory mirror you will lose the rear view camera in the rear view mirror.

 

I disagree. The only thing that matter first is does the car have the range needed to accomplish my daily goals. We did a lot of driving last weekend and still were under 100 miles. So almost anything on the market checks that box as we have an ICE car for her that we can use for trips. After that it gets down to convenience features. Of the Bolt had Memel ray seats I am less worried about Homelink as a door opener clipped to visor is fine with me.
Tesla build quality and bugs bother me as well as the lack of a gauge cluster. And the VW has some bugs and the infotainment is laggy, but my plan is wireless Android auto so interacting with Infotainment will be minimal.

 

The only thing that matter first is does the car have the range needed to accomplish my daily goals.

I think you are missing the point. The industry / normal consumer only care about the max range of an EV. If range did not matter then they would not even advertise it.

Maybe look at a Nissan Leaf SV. It has optional 8 Way power seats. I don't know if they are memory or not. The standard range is ~147 Miles. Or for Dual Motor Tesla money you can buy a Leaf SL Plus.

The Bolt is the Honda Civic of the EV world. It is not a Luxury car. It is an early adopter vehicle. It was the 4th (Leaf, Model S, Model X, Bolt, Model 3. Anything else was a compliance car and not available in all markets) true consumer EV to market and has not really changed much in 4 years.

The Bolt is a great car for what it is. Don't expect too much and you will be pleasantly surprised. You can't compare it to an Acura or Vovlo. Maybe look at the Audi E-Tron for $$$$.

 

In AWD I would think the ID.4 will be as quick as the Bolt.

 

It will be- 0-60 times reportedly will be nearly identical. But it’ll cost yah!

 

Well, I agree with thermal managment. No argument there. Still waiting for a list of worse EV's

 

I did not comprise a list. Besides what is the point. You may not know this, but it is subjective. Give me a list of worse cars in any category that even ALL experts will agree upon.
Name one ev car you consider one of the worse or are you afraid to have an opinion on this topic?

 

I would also include the esmart ev car among the worse, 63 miles range.

 

My wife has a 2008 Smart car and absolutely loves it even after all these years. It's not perfect and certainly has it's own personality. It is a cute car that still gets lots of attention and fits our needs very well. She has considered a EV Smart car as the range would be suitable for her driving. She loves having a tiny car which fits into almost any parking space. 63 mikes of range would work for her and

Oh no, I certainly have labels for worse. I have AutoXed a 2nd Gen RX-7 and an SVT Contour. Both of those cars were quantifiably worse at racing than most anything else in their class.

It is like saying a V6 Mustang is worse than the GT. Well, maybe. If your goal is racing then yes. If your goal is fun transportation but still gets reasonable economy then no.

Saw a Shelby Mustang on track a few weeks ago. They were running with well driven GT3s - impressive! Fella told me it had 800HP which I could believe from watching his acceleration on the straights, lots of fun to watch.

 

I wonder , did the Leaf had any battery related fires? Serious question. OP buy an e-tron , problem solved.
I love how people are judging the ID 4 without testing the car for themselves first. The AWD will have 300 HP the 200 HP is plenty for the type of car that it is, is not perfect but it is a good car in my opinion test drive one

 

I love how people are judging the ID 4 without testing the car for themselves first. The AWD will have 300 HP the 200 HP is plenty for the type of car that it is, is not perfect but it is a good car in my opinion test drive one

Sandy Munro panned the ID4 in his YouTube channel. Easy to scratch it Off my list after that.

 

Well, you made a statement proclaiming it as one of the worst EV's without giving any context to what that means. Just all around one of the worst. If you said the lack of proper thermal management and BMS in the Leaf makes it a poor choice for longevity and battery life I don't think anyone would disagree. But just worst without any context provides no benefit to the conversation.

I know very little about the EV smart. Was it brought to the US. You say it is worse because of a 63 mile range. That makes it worse if you need to go 100 miles in a day but not so if you only need to go 30 miles in a day and can charge every night.

OP thinks the Bolt is the worst because of a lack of memory seats. He provided context to his opinion. Nobody disagreed.

The Porsche Taycan, one of the worst EV's........
if your budget is $50k.
Or if you want to beat a MS Plaid + to 60mph.

Yes, the Leaf has had battery related fires. I don't think there were many and I have not heard of any reports of fire recently. As in the past 4 years. I also have not searched.

 

Sorry, I did not mean to trigger you. But I stand by my opinion, the Leaf is one of the worse EV cars you can buy.

 

2021 Hyundai ioniq electric limited has memory seats.

 

Let’s see when the release it in USA. Also will they sell it in all 50 states? They only sell the Kona EV in a handful of states.

 

Ugh, as much as I agree with kline1 in regards to thermal management being a reason I wouldn't buy a Leaf, the BS arguments are getting to me.

Lithium batteries do not need active thermal management to operate. The Bolt will almost never chill the battery except when DC charging or pushing it extremely hard in very hot weather. And the Leaf has a battery heating system, it just has no system to cool the battery. So if someone never DC charges their Leaf then they will almost never notice the lack of cooling. Battery cooling is not a safety feature, it is not required by law, and it is not required at any time to operate.

 

"A well-designed thermal management system keeps battery temperature in check, maximizing vehicle performance and, most importantly, passenger safety. "

At one time seat belts and safety glass windshields were not required by law...

 

Posting quotes without a source? Didn't realize I was dealing with such an amateur of internet debate.

 

It was quoted because I was not claiming the quote as my own. However I did not realize that a person could actually believe keeping a battery temperature in check is not a safety concern.
Here is a quote from a government source if that helps.

"Battery temperature affects vehicle performance, reliability, safety, and life-cycle cost "

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy13osti/52818.pdf

 

No.

 

You are one the worst; just kidding...

 

Hence my recommendation of the Leaf that started another storm of posts. For what OP is looking for, the Leaf may be a better fit. Regardless of thermal battery management.

 

Ok 2 things after reading all this...

1). The leaf is an awesome car in most respects but the battery degradation (particularly in the early models) hurt the brand IMO (notice the caveat at the end there).

2). The power seating is so FWP... takes me less time to pull up and slide then it does to press a button and snail into place. I’ve had memory seats in my last 10 cars with multiple memory and rarely used them. The Bolt is the first car without and I don’t give it a second thought because the drive is so wicked fun!

 

Lack of AWD in an ICE car became a deal killer for me in a daily driver. I had to comprise that with the Bolt and if there was an AWD option in the Bolt there is no way I would ever buy the FWD model. While the Model 3 has AWD I had to exclude it for 2 reasons. 1. Cost 2. Trunk. I need a hatch for business and the trunk of a M3 would not cut it.

Oh, I also was in a quick sprint with a TM3 yesterday and I believe it was on RWD. I will say the traction control on the Tesla is significantly better than the Bolt. It was pouring rain and he left the line like it was dry pavement.

 

Oh, I also was in a quick sprint with a TM3 yesterday and I believe it was on RWD. I will say the traction control on the Tesla is significantly better than the Bolt. It was pouring rain and he left the line like it was dry pavement.

Are you on OEM tires? My UHP tires that replaced the OEM tires behave like this, rain or no rain i don't notice much difference. They start losing grip on ice and thick snow though but rain is a non issue.

 

I am with the OP, seat comfort is subjective and paramount when it comes to car buying/selection. I am my 50s, to me its lumbar support is on top of my list. Obviously, the BOLT doesn't have it but it is easy and cost-effective to purchase additional seat lumbar padding. I like the air adjustable bladder type.