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It's interesting that (afaik) so far all the burning Bolts have been sitting still, charging? none has burned up on the road, while draining the battery?
None, that I know of, have burned on the road. But not all the parked Bolts that did burn were charging. At least a few were just "sitting" there, not plugged in, when they well got all hot and bothered.
 

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None, that I know of, have burned on the road. But not all the parked Bolts that did burn were charging. At least a few were just "sitting" there, not plugged in, when they well got all hot and bothered.
Thanks for the fact check. Still debating whether to banish my Bolt from the carport until this is all resolved.
 

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None, that I know of, have burned on the road. But not all the parked Bolts that did burn were charging. At least a few were just "sitting" there, not plugged in, when they well got all hot and bothered.
One burned on the side of the road, after bucking to a halt.

July 25, 2021Glen Ellyn, IL2019[2]22-33 monthsNoneGM confirmed. Occurred while driving. Had US-made battery not subject to first fire recall.
 

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One burned on the side of the road, after bucking to a halt.

July 25, 2021Glen Ellyn, IL2019[2]22-33 monthsNoneGM confirmed. Occurred while driving. Had US-made battery not subject to first fire recall.
Forgot that one! Thanks.
 

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It's interesting that (afaik) so far all the burning Bolts have been sitting still, charging? none has burned up on the road, while draining the battery?
One started burning while being driven.

Several were parked and not charging (or had completed charging).

 

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I had suggested this in another thread - let’s all drive to Detroit and park our Bolts at GM HQ.
Better plan carefully, we might all find ourselves bunched up at the same DC fast chargers the closer we get, actually, how are we getting back home then? 😉
 

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Last week I moved the EVSE from the back wall of the garage to by the door so I can charge outside. Yesterday I installed a remote smoke alarm. After reading this thread I moved the car to the end of the driveway by the street. My comfort zone is eroding. What is next, park it at the fire station?
I had suggested this in another thread - let’s all drive to Detroit and park our Bolts at GM HQ.
Louis Farrakhan could help you guys out with that. He’s a little long in the tooth now, but I could see him organizing, we’ll call it ... a “Billion Bolt Blitz” on GM in Detroit.

“Brothers ... we’re here today in Detroit because we’re all in great pain. Our Bolts are catching fire, burning our homes to the ground, and we need The Mothership to come and rescue us ...”

That’s all I got right now, but feel free to help out with the speech...
 

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Well, that is false. Payouts on slot machines are strictly controlled. Each machine has a required payout per month and the longer it goes without a payout the higher the odds of a payout. This is why people can be very picky about machines. They watch and track which ones have paid out and only play ones that are "due". Every time you spin your odds of winning increase. If you sat at 1 slot machine and played for entire month you are guaranteed to win a payout and that payout is guaranteed to be less than what you put in. Every Casino has the ability to select the payout of their machines. They must report this payout percentage to the state regulatory agency and must verify that the payouts are within the required percentage range.

The lottery is more analogous. The more tickets you buy does not change the odds of any one ticket winning but does increase your odds of winning. Each ticket (car) carries the same odds of winning. It does not matter how many tickets were bought, your odds of winning are the same. What changes is the payout. Difference is we can calculate the odds of winning in all of these games because all of the factors are known. But this is still not a good analogy as there is no guaranteed winner in a lottery. Only way to guarantee a lottery win is to ensure that every possible combination of winning numbers is purchased. At this point we are guaranteed to have more Bolts catch fire because we know that LG produced more defective batteries than have caught fire thus far, we just don't know when.

We cant really calculate the odds of a Bolt catching fire as we do not have all of the information. We know all Bolts are in the recall but we don't know how many batteries have the flaws and neither does GM. Right now GM is operating under the assumption that ALL batteries are faulty and ALL cars will eventually catch fire under specific conditions such as very high or very low states of charge. The question is how many charge cycles does it take before it is triggered and do other environmental conditions adversely affect the condition. Parking your car outside is only to reduce the damage to your house and nothing to do with the likelihood of the battery catching fire.
Floor managers in casinos watch the slots, and rows with unoccupied machines are often set to allow a better payout in the hopes that others will occupy the surrounding machines. as long as they stay within the overall parameters, they can actually choose which ones pay out.
 

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I'll say that the victim's homeowners insurance company should buy dinner and beers for all the fire fighters (and make a donation to the Fire Department!)
 

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buy dinner and beers for all the fire fighters
What's the first thing you guys are going to do with the money? "Buy new brakes for the fire truck"
The volunteers arrived in a dilapidated old fire truck. They rumbled straight towards the fire, drove right into the middle of the flames and stopped! The firemen jumped off the truck and frantically started spraying water in all directions. Soon they had snuffed out the center of the fire, breaking the blaze into two easily controlled parts.
Watching all this, the farmer was so impressed with the volunteer fire department's work and was so grateful that his farm had been spared, that right there on the spot he presented the volunteers with a check for $1,000. A local news reporter asked the volunteer fire captain what the department planned to do with the funds.
'That ought to be obvious,' he responded, wiping ashes off his coat. 'The first thing we're gonna do is get the brakes fixed on our fire truck!'
 

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I'm not sure if that is necessarily true. Keep in mind that there are only 150,000 Bolts in existence, and the (admittedly uncertain) incidence of both defects is allegedly rare. The overall probability of a fire, given enough time, is not 100%. It may not even be 1%.

It's possible that a reduction in fire probability could result in no fire incidents before the Bolts are bought back or batteries are replaced. We did not see any fires between November 2020, when GM announced the first recall, and May 2021, when the "final remedy" was being installed. That coincides (granted, could be just "coincide"nce) with the guidance to limit the maximum state of charge. Although there was one Bolt fire that had the interim remedy installed, the interim remedy only limited the maximum state of charge (did not prevent deep discharge).

So I would encourage people to follow the charging recommendations if they can, especially owners of 2019 models with a battery made in Korea.

Having said all of that, I agree with you that reduction of risk is not the same as elimination of risk, so it's still possible that we will see a fire in a Bolt that did follow all the charging recommendations. As you pointed out, it doesn't change the underlying risk, but it could change people's perceptions.

On that Nov 2020 - May 2021 time frame, it does seem like higher temperatures make fires more likely. I think someone posted a calendar of fires and some winter months had 0 fires.

Danger now seems to be 2 year+ 2019 vehicle, summer months, fires seem very often.
 

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Not to go out on a limb or anything, but I’m gonna bet leaving the vehicle out of the garage would not have impacted the fire one way or the other…
Well if the problem is overheating, having the car outside will allow heat to dissipate faster than if it is in a garage. Which might keep it under the ignition temperature.

Thank you kindly.
 

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Not just higher for the 2019 model year with batteries made in Korea, but very much higher. That particular group represents roughly 50-60% of all fires but roughly 10% of all Bolts. (We still don't know if this one had a battery made in Korea.)
I'd be thinking differently about my options if my car were anything other than a "Korean 2019" that was built in October 2018, very differently if it had a Michigan battery. When the second recall hit I was poised to swap for a new Bolt, and would have felt very comfortable proceeding if I'd been given the chance.
 

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I'd be thinking differently about my options if my car were anything other than a "Korean 2019" that was built in October 2018, very differently if it had a Michigan battery. When the second recall hit I was poised to swap for a new Bolt, and would have felt very comfortable proceeding if I'd been given the chance.
A 2020 burned, can't be sure any model is safer at this time.
 
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Well if the problem is overheating, having the car outside will allow heat to dissipate faster than if it is in a garage. Which might keep it under the ignition temperature.

Thank you kindly.
It is cooler in my garage than outside right now (7 pm). LOL
 

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It is cooler in my garage than outside right now (7 pm). LOL
Given the ignition temperature is probably pretty high, the difference between garage and outside temperature probably isn't the gating factor. Air flow is going to be far more of a factor.

Thank you kindly.
 
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