I was actually more shocked that the dealer and service department were able to take out the battery and replace the section without replacing the whole battery as a whole. First time I’ve heard of that happening.I may have misinterpreted it. Check out the receipt I posted—does it mean that they replaced a single module?
Yep! That’s exactly what prompted me to ask. Didn’t know that the dealer service departments were that technologically advanced already.Clarifying the title probably wouldn't hurt, but someone with more current knowledge than mine will probably give a more solid answer soon. There are Weber State videos that give great detail on the elements of the battery and how they are put together. It's been too long since I've watched them though and my memory is lousy, so I'm not sure about the difference between a section and a module. I think there are multiple sections per battery assembly, multiple modules per section and multiple cells per module.
The thing that surprised me about your service write-up is that the dealership actually serviced the internals of the battery assembly at all. I was under the impression that GM just shipped entire rebuilt battery assemblies whenever there are issues within the pack.
Thanks for posting your experience!
Wish there was a list of dealers that Can't do this.... so we could go there and have a REAL professional replace things correctly...
Sure. If you like. Module 8 WAS replaced. It lives under the feet of the driver side rear passenger. However, it is permanently attacked to Module 3, under the other rear passenger's feet. They are both in battery Section 3.Shall I edit title to say Section instead of Module? I don’t want to confuse people.
You're absolutely right, I just scoured the forum and found well-documented examples (like OP's) that clearly describe section replacements. For some reason when I replied I only recalled the full-on battery replacements. I must've conflated this with the earlier events pre-software update - the ones that suddenly lost power while driving. Memory's getting wonky. I'm still pretty amazed that they are able to perform this work on a dealership level.
Yes, I think GM may be the only manufacturer I've heard of doing sub-pack maintenance at local shops. It's impressive also because they would have to train auto mechanics to work around 200 volt DC. With the newer "skateboard" designs like Hyundai E-GMP, VW MEB or GM Ultium, I think it would make sense to design so that the dealer could remove a bottom plate under the pack, then remove any one of the 8 (현대) or 10 (VW) or 12(GM) modules from below.I'm still pretty amazed that they are able to perform this work on a dealership level.
I remember IBM repair guys coming out and replacing components on circuit boards in early computer days. Eventually, they started replacing boards, then whole units.
Yep, just swap out the entire vehicle and call it a day, GM!I remember IBM repair guys coming out and replacing components on circuit boards in early computer days. Eventually, they started replacing boards, then whole units.
Seems wasteful? Sure, but the labor cost is minimized, technical specialists in a factory can recondition units to be used as FRUs, and overall it is less costly and greater customer satisfaction to have faster resolutions.
EVs are still relatively new, if GM learns module level surgery is too costly vs factory reconditioning, and customer sat is improved by doing pack swaps, then that is the way things will go. Module replacement on large scales like the current recall may be too costly and time consuming to GM...we shall see.
There are some videos online of them servicing Volts in this way. There are a lot of similarities in the process and equipment. I believe that the battery test unit is the same as the one that they use for both but the Bolt requires different adapter cables. The Bolt did build on the Volt more than many think.I was actually more shocked that the dealer and service department were able to take out the battery and replace the section without replacing the whole battery as a whole. First time I’ve heard of that happening.
And now Nissan has found religion again. Just like televangelists...you can always come back and ask for forgiveness.TE got it just right today. Politicians, and corporate heads, change beliefs like I change socks...whenever they start to smell.
We’re taught all our lives that batteries in an array should not be replaced individually. I wonder what’s so different about this scenario that now makes it permissible (except for $)[Edit: after a couple of drives and recharges, projected range was 250 miles this morning, with a max of about 290 and min of about 210. If this is in the real world ballpark I’m in good shape.]
My new to me certified pre-owned 2017 Bolt came with range problems. The dealer tech initially said there wasn’t a problem, but on further investigation caused, I think, by the recall, they found a bad cell and replaced that by replacing its module.I haven’t had it back long enough to know if the range is acceptable, but at least the battery has been thoroughly tested and “refurbished” (if you will). They also did the software update to limit charging. I’ve attached a photo of the receipt FYI.
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As with most things in life, there is more to it than that. Certainly $$ play a role in this but but it's definitely not the last word. Given the high level of battery management and monitoring the Bolt inherently has, I have a ton of confidence that GM with develop the proper improvements to deal with this.We’re taught all our lives that batteries in an array should not be replaced individually. I wonder what’s so different about this scenario that now makes it permissible (except for $)