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has another report of Bolt parking bans at Shops at the Bravern in Bellevue, WA.

I had lived in Western WA for awhile so I know that place.

Now that I think about it more, as some have suggested, maybe there is a conspiracy going on that prompted this possibly from an anti-EV group (e.g. big oil, petroleum industry) or an automaker who is weak in EVs in the US.

Why did this start happening in the last few months? Why didn't it happen shortly after the original Nov 13, 2020 battery fire recall on MIK-battery '17 to '19 Bolts? Were they asleep w/the 1st recall and then suddenly woke up when all Bolts got recalled?
Maybe I have the timeline wrong, but didn't this start almost immediately following the 50ft. parking thing?
 

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Maybe I have the timeline wrong, but didn't this start almost immediately following the 50ft. parking thing?
I think parking lot bans came after GM recalled all Bolts. I do remember the 50 foot rule being announced well after seeing reddit posts about parking lot bans.

EDIT: By the way, you realize that 50 foot "rule" is not really a rule? They essentially walked that back with their most recent announcement and clarification.

If customers are following GM’s instructions issued below, they can park in a location of their choice. In an abundance of caution, GM recommends customers leave ample space around their vehicle wherever they choose to park. GM is not aware of any fires that have occurred where customers followed this safety guidance, in parking decks or otherwise.
See section "Updated Guidance On Parking" here:

That Dan Flores guy should have never said what he said.
 

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EDIT: By the way, you realize that 50 foot "rule" is not really a rule? They essentially walked that back with their most recent announcement and clarification.
Yes, I know it isn't a real thing. But I seemed to remember this coinciding with (perhaps not the first) several posts of new places Bolts weren't allowed to park.
 

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Yes, I know it isn't a real thing. But I seemed to remember this coinciding with (perhaps not the first) several posts of new places Bolts weren't allowed to park.
My memory is similar. I don't recall seeing a lot of social media buzz about parking lots banning Bolts until the 50 ft rule thing blew up here.
 

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Here's a September 5 reddit post on being banned in San Francisco
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/pipohy
Here's another one from September 14th:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/po5pa9
And here's the Bloomberg article with the 50 foot rule on September 15th:

And reddit post about this bloomberg article created on September 15th also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/poz1pb
So you can see, the bans started before the "50 foot rule". It all started when all Bolts were recalled back in late August.

EDIT: How do you know the timestamp? That's a very good question!
I used this advice and added ".json" to the end of the reddit post URL
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/577a8t
And then, I looked for a "created" field and got a value that looks like this:

Then you take that number and use a tool that converts Unix timestamps into readable dates.
Code:
$ date -d '@1630891933'
Sun, Sep  5, 2021  9:32:13 PM
And voila, you can see on September 5th, Bolts were starting to be banned from parking lots.
 

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Here's a September 5 reddit post on being banned in San Francisco
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/pipohy
Here's another one from September 14th:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/po5pa9
And here's the Bloomberg article with the 50 foot rule on September 15th:

And reddit post about this bloomberg article created on September 15th also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/poz1pb
So you can see, the bans started before the "50 foot rule". It all started when all Bolts were recalled back in late August.

EDIT: How do you know the timestamp? That's a very good question!
I used this advice and added ".json" to the end of the reddit post URL
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/577a8t
And then, I looked for a "created" field and got a value that looks like this:

Then you take that number and use a tool that converts Unix timestamps into readable dates.
Code:
$ date -d '@1630891933'
Sun, Sep  5, 2021  9:32:13 PM
And voila, you can see on September 5th, Bolts were starting to be banned from parking lots.
So 2 bans before the 50 ft guidance became widely public (although not necessarily before GM concierge reps were giving out that 50 ft guidance). I believe the 50 ft guidance, if it didn't start every ban, contributed to the increased number of parking lots bans we've seen.

Or is your position that the 50 ft guidance had no impact and was perfectly acceptable for Flores to put out there?
 

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So 2 bans before the 50 ft guidance became widely public (although not necessarily before GM concierge reps were giving out that 50 ft guidance). I believe the 50 ft guidance, if it didn't start every ban, contributed to the increased number of parking lots bans we've seen.

Or is your position that the 50 ft guidance had no impact and was perfectly acceptable for Flores to put out there?
No, as I've always stated, Dan Flores should have never said what he said. At least, not in the way he said it.

I think photographs of parking lot bans on reddit/twitter contributed way more than Dan Flores' 50 foot mistake.

EDIT: Here's more before Bloomberg
September 8th (scroll for picture)

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/po9imp September 14th

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/poi05c September 14th

Here's one on the day of Bloomberg article
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/pp3yrs September 15th

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/pp2inx September 15th

Anyway, SP+ was banning Bolts since September 5th.
 

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has a report of a doctor's garage (location unknown) banning Bolt parking.

Some others have chimed in with some of their own like "Yes I have problems like this all the time in the metropolitan Washington DC area. No one wants me to park that thing anywhere".

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/chevyboltevowners/posts/2982533375391602/?comment_id=2982588845386055
has another such sign somewhere. This time, it's ABM Parking Services.
 

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Some others have chimed in with some of their own like "Yes I have problems like this all the time in the metropolitan Washington DC area. No one wants me to park that thing anywhere".
It's hard to believe since most people don't seem to be aware of the Chevy Bolt, EVs or recalls in general... let alone Chevy Bolt recalls.
 

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It's hard to believe since most people don't seem to be aware of the Chevy Bolt, EVs or recalls in general... let alone Chevy Bolt recalls.
FWIW, Bolts are pretty common here in the SF Bay Area. Within a 2 house radius of where I live, on my street, there are 3 other Bolts (next door neighbor, house across then over 1, another one 2 houses away). We have over 4 dozen in my work's EV/PHEV registry.

In the thread I pointed to, someone at
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replied:
"These restrictions are spreading all over California. My local supermarket and downtown retail stores all use indoor garage parking, so my Bolt is useless for daily transportation."
 

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FWIW, Bolts are pretty common here in the SF Bay Area. Within a 2 house radius of where I live, on my street, there are 3 other Bolts (next door neighbor, house across then over 1, another one 2 houses away). We have over 4 dozen in my work's EV/PHEV registry.
They are not common in the DC area. Nobody bats an eye at my Bolt (I think they think it's a Spark, the gas version). Nobody seemingly knows or cares... hence, I don't believe that Facebook comment at all with regard to DC.
 

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Why did this start happening in the last few months? Why didn't it happen shortly after the original Nov 13, 2020 battery fire recall on MIK-battery '17 to '19 Bolts? Were they asleep w/the 1st recall and then suddenly woke up when all Bolts got recalled?
A GM spokesperson opened his mouth and talked about parking 50 feet away from other vehicles, even though that has never appeared in any GM written recommendations other than for crash-damaged vehicles. But lots of media picked it up and spread it around, probably increasing the tendency to enact parking bans.
 

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A GM spokesperson opened his mouth and talked about parking 50 feet away from other vehicles, even though that has never appeared in any GM written recommendations other than for crash-damaged vehicles. But lots of media picked it up and spread it around, probably increasing the tendency to enact parking bans.
The bans were happening weeks before Dan Flores made that mistake.
 

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No, as I've always stated, Dan Flores should have never said what he said. At least, not in the way he said it.

I think photographs of parking lot bans on reddit/twitter contributed way more than Dan Flores' 50 foot mistake.

EDIT: Here's more before Bloomberg
September 8th (scroll for picture)

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/po9imp September 14th

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/poi05c September 14th

Here's one on the day of Bloomberg article
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/pp3yrs September 15th

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/pp2inx September 15th

Anyway, SP+ was banning Bolts since September 5th.
Anybody else find that these notes needlessly sound passive-aggressive. No need to say "Thank you for your compliance!" or "we apologize for your inconvenience" at the end. The message was LOUD AND CLEAR in the previous sentence. They also aren't sorry for banning a car or making your life worse, they just care about the money that you gave/give them.
 

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Anybody else find that these notes needlessly sound passive-aggressive. No need to say "Thank you for your compliance!" or "we apologize for your inconvenience" at the end. The message was LOUD AND CLEAR in the previous sentence. They also aren't sorry for banning a car or making your life worse, they just care about the money that you gave/give them.
Indeed. The worst part is whoever is making these decisions out of fear, paranoia and not knowing the facts is likely they have no idea that plenty of other non-EVs have been recalled for and caught fire while switched off (e.g. examples in post 69).

Or, if they do, they figure it'll just be such a small % (when spread out across the US) that it won't hurt them that much vs. going around banning tons of other vehicles (e.g. the Hyundai, Kias, BMWs, Ram trucks, etc.)

Unfortunately, I see no signs that my work's Bolt ban is letting up despite it being a waste of a bunch of my time (and taking away from my productivity) to look for alternative transportation. :(
 
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Indeed. The worst part is whoever is making these decisions out of fear, paranoia and not knowing the facts is likely they have no idea that plenty of other non-EVs have been recalled for and caught fire while switched off (e.g. examples in post 69).
Or they're Tesla share owners and want to indirectly manipulate stock prices by smearing the US' distant 2nd most popular EV?

EDIT: You might like this one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/qjrnqc
Stupid, but very reasonable solution.
 

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Now that I think about it more, as some have suggested, maybe there is a conspiracy going on that prompted this possibly from an anti-EV group (e.g. big oil, petroleum industry) or an automaker who is weak in EVs in the US.
So, in doing some digging, it's no surprise I found EV buyers beware – fires, scarce charging times, and parking restrictions from the "Heartland Institute". I wasn't aware that climate change denier groups were so well organized until I'd watched a Frontline ep on them years ago (In Shift, Key Climate Denialist Group Heartland Institute Pivots to Policy). Along the way, I found Climate Change Skeptic Group Seeks to Influence 200,000 Teachers.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're part of who's behind fanning the flames here and causing these bans.
 
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