[SparkE]

{Sorry if this was already posted - it is from July '18}

Bolt vs. Leaf vs. Tesla Model 3 | Edmunds

 

[Dimitrij]

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But we already know that the TM3 is still too expensive, the Leaf is short of range, and the Bolt is what the doctor ordered, right? right?

 

[XJ12]

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I find that I have to cut and paste the URL of the video into a separate browser page to see some of the imbedded YouTube(s). This one was no exception.

https://youtu.be/2Er1eM4cRO8

 

[DaV8or]

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But we already know that the TM3 is still too expensive, the Leaf is short of range, and the Bolt is what the doctor ordered, right? right?

Basically, it's pretty fair and they seemed to have picked three guys, who each defend, or promote each car. The weird thing was at the end. The question was asked "So which one of these EVs would you pick?" and the guy that was pretty bullish on the Model 3 and the guy that was bullish on the Bolt, joined the other guy and unanimously all picked the Leaf. Apparently range didn't matter much to them and price did.

 

[Dimitrij]

----- unanimously all picked the Leaf. Apparently range didn't matter much to them and price did.

I remember watching, or readings something like that a while ago - probably before the fast charging-related problems with Leaf cropped up.

 

[Sean Nelson]

But we already know that the TM3 is still too expensive, the Leaf is short of range, and the Bolt is what the doctor ordered, right? right?

That's likely true for most of the people on this forum, but the sales figures show that there are plenty of people who are willing to pay the premium that the Tesla demands and who are fine with the range of the Leaf. Luckily, people are allowed to have different priorities when it comes to their choices in life.

 

[redpoint5]

There's a Leaf 2.0 with Pro Pilot and 900 miles on the odometer for sale near Portland for $27,000. Seems a pretty good deal if your intention was to never drive beyond the 160 mile range. I imagine the Leaf will do quite well, especially after the larger battery is made available at the end of this year.

 

[shotel]

There's a Leaf 2.0 with Pro Pilot and 900 miles on the odometer for sale near Portland for $29,000.

If you run your calculator against your existing Prius, add in expected maintenance expenses over 60 Months.
Then using:
Loan amount: $25,000
Interest rate (%): 3.11
Loan period (months): 60
Total cost of car (negotiated):$28,000
Monthly payments: $450

How does it stack up?

 

[Raymondjram]

That's likely true for most of the people on this forum, but the sales figures show that there are plenty of people who are willing to pay the premium that the Tesla demands and who are fine with the range of the Leaf. Luckily, people are allowed to have different priorities when it comes to their choices in life.

That is very true. if price was the dominating factor, everyone will choose the Nissan Leaf. And anyone can get a used Leaf for almost half the original price (I saw one offered for $15,000).

But for the best price versus range, availability, and practicality (best interior and cargo space), the Chevy Bolt EV will beat the others.

 

[DaV8or]

That is very true. if price was the dominating factor, everyone will choose the Nissan Leaf. And anyone can get a used Leaf for almost half the original price (I saw one offered for $15,000).

But for the best price versus range, availability, and practicality (best interior and cargo space), the Chevy Bolt EV will beat the others.

Sadly, not enough see it that way. I believe tens of thousands have looked at the Bolt and have decided to continue burning gas and wait for the promised base level Model 3, or even Model Y. Those with loads of cash are buying Model 3s now.

Still, new Bolt owners are trickling in and there are more on the road every day.

 

[bro1999]

Sadly, not enough see it that way. I believe tens of thousands have looked at the Bolt and have decided to continue burning gas and wait for the promised base level Model 3, or even Model Y. Those with loads of cash are buying Model 3s now.

Still, new Bolt owners are trickling in and there are more on the road every day.

Hopefully no one decided to purchase a 2018 Leaf. Reports are now degradation is WORSE than the Gen 1 Leaf. And I read a report of an overheating 18 Leaf being spotted at a fast charger charging at a whopping 12 kW at a low SOC. Ouch!

 

[redpoint5]

Doh, I hope the new Leaf isn't as bad as you're saying it might be. That would be a major setback for EVs if it turns out a dud. Lack of active cooling seems a huge mistake, and I'm surprised Nissan hasn't come to the same conclusion after 6 years of selling the previous Leaf.

 

[daveo4Bolt]

I think it's a fair review - but the conclusion confuses me…also I don't think they give enough bonus points to Tesla for the supercharger network…and superior charging rate - but that's my opinion - all in all however the comparison is a good summary for those that are new to the EV world and gives a base line for thinking about how to approach a purchasing decision...

it gratifies me greatly there are now some comparison points, and I look forward to more competition for EV's so that more and more people can consider one...

I however think we'll need an EV pickup for them to become truly common - and I think the first vendor to market with a good EV pickup would jump ahead of the rest of the crowd - as we know Car's are not where the money is (Ford is leaving the 'car' market)…SUV/Trucks are sales leaders…

 

[redpoint5]

Trucks are a huge maintenance expense too. I think an EV truck would make huge economic sense for contractors that use them locally.

 

[hatchy]

Whats the price delta between the Leaf and the Bolt? 5k? And Bolt to 3.. 15k?

 

[Fivedoor]

I however think we'll need an EV pickup for them to become truly common - and I think the first vendor to market with a good EV pickup would jump ahead of the rest of the crowd - as we know Car's are not where the money is (Ford is leaving the 'car' market)…SUV/Trucks are sales leaders…

And people like Diesel trucks for the Torque (with a capital T)... when they realize they can have TORQUE from an electric motor instead of Torque from a Diesel there will be a large market in the fly over states for Big honking EV trucks.

Keith

PS: I would love to have an EV pickup truck, a pickup is the TRUE utility vehicle.

 

[daveo4Bolt]

I find this review interesting - it's a perspective from a hard core track-rat - Pete knows his stuff and has been hired by several manufactures to "tune" their cars - his opinion goes a long ways in my opinion - read and enjoy

https://rennlist.com/forums/taycan-and-mission-e/1092469-tesla-m3d-review-split-decision.html

 

[GregBrew]

And people like Diesel trucks for the Torque (with a capital T)... when they realize they can have TORQUE from an electric motor instead of Torque from a Diesel there will be a large market in the fly over states for Big honking EV trucks.

Keith

PS: I would love to have an EV pickup truck, a pickup is the TRUE utility vehicle.

But you can't "roll coal" with an EV!>


BTW, that whole concept totally disgusts me.

 

[redpoint5]

But you can't "roll coal" with an EV!>


BTW, that whole concept totally disgusts me.

Oh you can, but it helps to have a Tesla.

 

[Sean Nelson]

I find this review interesting - it's a perspective from a hard core track-rat - Pete knows his stuff and has been hired by several manufactures to "tune" their cars - his opinion goes a long ways in my opinion - read and enjoy

Best paragraph:

Both things can be true: the Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor is both a good car and a bad one. It can have poor initial quality as well as industry leading owner satisfaction, just as their CEO can be a genius while still doing very stupid things.