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Listening to friends, family, and politicians talk about how expensive and terrible EVs are is irritating - especially while multiple countries are setting daily heat records. I wanted something relevant to show them to try (and likely fail) to convivence them that EVs make financial sense. In short, this is the cost comparison between the best selling small SUV and a Bolt EUV. This doesn't include the costs for oil changes.

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All seems good. You forgot one thing - maintenance costs. I mean the oil change and stuff, not the tire rotation and windshield liquid. You can squeeze some more couple of thousands over 8 years. Which leads you to the conclusion that in about 8 years, you keep enough money in your poket to pay at least 1/2 of a new ICEV.
Your compilation was about the same I did when I decided to buy a Volt in 2014. The commute I had at the time was 50 km round trip, enough to have the Volt acting like a BEV for 9 months of the year.
 

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And that's if you only charge at home. Sometimes DCFC's can be free. Hotels are usually free when you're a guest while traveling. I have two free L2 chargers within a short walk. I don't charge at home. I only pay something when traveling and use a DCFC. And sometimes that's free.
Gas can only be bought at gas stations. There ain't never no free gas.
And yeah no fluid changes and much less frequent brake work.
 

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Or you can do like I do now. With the most sarcastic voice possible
"Yeah I really messed up having these commie liberal Democrats talk me into buying an EV. I miss fueling up my car at the gas station and having gas get over my hands and cloths! Having my car be full of energy when I wake up every morning SUCKS! Come on oil changes are great, paying people to do that every 7000 miles or so. What I really miss is doing it myself and having the oil get all over me and possibly staining my cloths. Then taking the used oil in the back of your Car to a recycling center once your done is Heaven on earth"
etc. etc. etc.
Who cares what they think.
F-em
 

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What price is put on 105 degree F heat in places it hasn’t ever happened, as the UK just experienced? They don’t need air conditioning so no one has it. How much is a heat-related death worth? How many died?

I just saw that Texas and Oklahoma hit temporary 115 F degrees. Same questions.

I remember either 2004 or 5 my town and the Central Valley of CA hit 116 and 118 for a week, with lows in the 80’s. About 15% of the dairy cows died. They were piling up bloated carcasses in front of every dairy farm, and no one went outside or did anything other than worry about the AC breaking. Mine was just on and couldn’t get down to the 80 degrees I set it to, so anyone thinks it’s hogwash needs a heat dome for a week or two, and a million acre brushfire smoke to cool it down. Just don’t breathe. I saw our air index hit 500 during the August 2020 fires all over CA.

When do we start putting those costs where they belong?

edit: I know, that ICE guy is going to call me a CA-ommie pinko libtard. I will be happy when he is paying for the real cost of FF, and sequestration is about 4x the price to put CO2 up there.

Next stop ,$25/gallon ought to convince anyone but Elon. He burns FF in his rockets, right?
 

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What I really miss is doing it myself and having the oil get all over me and possibly staining my cloths. Then taking the used oil in the back of your Car to a recycling center once your done is Heaven on earth"
I still do the oil changes on my Cruze. Recently I picked up four quarts at the store when I was out in our Bolt. One of the quarts leaked a bit in the cargo area. Fortunately I have a WeatherTech mat back there.

I just thought it was ironic, spilling motor oil in our Bolt. The used oil is definitely going back in the Cruze. :D
 

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.... In short, this is the cost comparison between the best selling small SUV and a Bolt EUV. This doesn't include the costs for oil changes.
Love it !!
Can you make one with a Maintenance line? Oil, filter, brakes, etc.
I'll print several and keep them near!
 

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I told my neighbor that I am really mad that electricity went up to 22 cents/kWh, so now I am paying over 5 cents/mile. Blasphemous I say!


Wait, you are paying $6/gal for the CRV to go ~30 miles if you hypermile?

(600/30=20 cents/mile)

He then justifies “but your car is a bit small.” and then I say “it holds 5 stuffed full black garbage can bags-full of recycle cans or bottles behind the front seats. How many can you take?”

“The exact same.”
 

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Good for you, Martin D. I created a spreadsheet that shows me that my Bolt travel costs me 1/5 to 1/6 what a 30 MPG ICE vehicle would cost for the same distances. There is so much intentional disinformation and unintentional stupidity out there from those who've never owned, driven or even ridden in an EV. Keep the faith and don't back down. I do and I don't.
 

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And that's if you only charge at home. Sometimes DCFC's can be free. Hotels are usually free when you're a guest while traveling. I have two free L2 chargers within a short walk. I don't charge at home. I only pay something when traveling and use a DCFC. And sometimes that's free.
Gas can only be bought at gas stations. There ain't never no free gas.
And yeah no fluid changes except for windshield washer fluid and much less frequent brake work.
FTFY.
 

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I don't think it's possible to get a Toyota RAV4 for under $30,000 right now. On the other hand, I guess maybe you can't buy a Bolt for $28,000 either, so maybe they balance each other out. Or was your spreadsheet just supposed to show historic prices of what people paid previously?
 

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I don't think it's possible to get a Toyota RAV4 for under $30,000 right now. On the other hand, I guess maybe you can't buy a Bolt for $28,000 either, so maybe they balance each other out. Or was your spreadsheet just supposed to show historic prices of what people paid previously?
Speaking of things that are probably not possible, I'm not sure that the friends and relatives mentioned by the OP will EVER be convinced of anything new until they start listening to news sources other than the ones they are currently listening to.
 

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Speaking of things that are probably not possible, I'm not sure that the friends and relatives mentioned by the OP will EVER be convinced of anything new until they start listening to news sources other than the ones they are currently listening to.
I wanted to keep it simple for them to understand. If they seem receptive then i can get into the oil and reliability benefits. I really think people are starting to get scared about the climate with the sever weather.
 

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Speaking of things that are probably not possible, I'm not sure that the friends and relatives mentioned by the OP will EVER be convinced of anything new until they start listening to news sources other than the ones they are currently listening to.
It's not always that simple. My brother is true blue and he drives an ICE vehicle, always has and always will. I'm dead red and I drove a 2014 and a 2018 Volt, I'm currently driving a 2020 Bolt EV and hope to take delivery of a 2023 EUV within the next couple of months (it was a dealer preorder that goes into production next week, or so I was told). I'm not saying I won't EVER own another ICE vehicle, but my next vehicle after the 2023 will be a 2024 or later Equinox EV.
 
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