[Mangled Jargon]

after twenty years of hybrids and plug ins, i am not seeing any indy shops pop up around here, nor do i expect to in the future.
it's hard enough finding a decent mech for a gasser

You have to go to 'developing nations' to find those.

I've mentioned this before, but I read a story of a guy who's Tesla was declared totaled by his insurance company and it was sold for salvage. 8 months later his Tesla app pings and his car was in Ukraine, fully repaired and driving around. Why can't we do this here???

 

[bisco]

people are over educated. no one goes into the trades anymore, even though they pay better than middle management jobs with bachelors degrees.
immigrants are doing the dirty work, but there aren't enough around here, and learning a trade isn't easy when you can't speak english, so only a percentage move up the ladder.

 

[Mangled Jargon]

Once my Bolt is out of warranty I have no intent of taking it to GM for a repair, even on the HV system. Having worked on systems and lithium batteries in the past, I’m sure I can fix it myself provided I have a way to remove the traction pack myself. I also estimate that in the 6 years I have left on the warranty, there will be more shops to fix EVs, so if I don’t have the time to do it myself there will be someone who can.

In the famous Weber video he removes and opens the traction battery of a 2017 bolt and shows how each module is bolted together with long bolts. He says that he will never try to replace the cell packs because unbolting those modules allows them to swell and you'll never get them back together again. That is why they are replace at the module level, not the three-cell pack level.

 

[Mangled Jargon]

people are over educated. no one goes into the trades anymore, even though they pay better than middle management jobs with bachelors degrees.
immigrants are doing the dirty work, but there aren't enough around here, and learning a trade isn't easy when you can't speak english, so only a percentage move up the ladder.

Yes, however, I have been seeing news articles that trades are seeing growth because the MBAs that turned colleges into ATMs for the upper-admins in the 1990s have now priced them out of normal people's reach, so trades is the only option. And they look enticing because they are commanding high pay rates for their work - specifically because there aren't enough to go around. You can once again, earn a middle class income from the trades.

 

[bisco]

I can’t wait until it trickles down to boots on the ground, but at 70, I may not live to see it

 

[jmcbrew]

My dad's Volt is only 7 years old, has something like 20K miles on it, trade-in value is $10K, but none of that matters because GM is not obligated to make one part for it, so in reality, it's worth nothing but scrap price.

There are millions of cars on the road where the manufacturer isn’t obligated to make parts for them. But still, parts are made… either by the OEMs or aftermarket. There are a lot of people who are freaked out by the idea of owning a car that is no longer under warranty. For millions of other people, it’s just an every day reality.

 

[bisco]

our last gasser was an '05 camry. getting parts is a breeze 20 years later.

a 20 year old bolt, i wouldn't risk it. sure, a wheel bearing or something, but the electrics, i wouldn't count on it.

 

[shrox]

You have to go to 'developing nations' to find those.

I've mentioned this before, but I read a story of a guy who's Tesla was declared totaled by his insurance company and it was sold for salvage. 8 months later his Tesla app pings and his car was in Ukraine, fully repaired and driving around. Why can't we do this here???

This sounds very un-American, or very American, or something.

 

[GJETSON]

He says that he will never try to replace the cell packs because unbolting those modules allows them to swell and you'll never get them back together again.

That is not my memory of what he said. As I recall, he was concerned about the BMS slave boards at the ends of the modules being damaged. There are folks on the electric assist bike site I hang out on who pull apart cell groups, and build new packs of different parallel/series configurations. They put the newly configured modules under compression, and they work just fine. They usually install new BMS systems too.

 

[mattbatt]

I'm sorry, the GM Stealership has been holding your dad's car hostage for 4 months and you haven't contacted a lawyer?

 

[Mangled Jargon]

our last gasser was an '05 camry. getting parts is a breeze 20 years later.

a 20 year old bolt, i wouldn't risk it. sure, a wheel bearing or something, but the electrics, i wouldn't count on it.

Exactly my point. Chevy not selling a critical replacement part for a vehicle less than ten years old seems wrong.

 

[Mangled Jargon]

I'm sorry, the GM Stealership has been holding your dad's car hostage for 4 months and you haven't contacted a lawyer?

I mentioned that and they scoffed, "As if that would work. That would be a waste of money. You can't win against a dealership."

 

[Mangled Jargon]

There are millions of cars on the road where the manufacturer isn’t obligated to make parts for them. But still, parts are made… either by the OEMs or aftermarket. There are a lot of people who are freaked out by the idea of owning a car that is no longer under warranty. For millions of other people, it’s just an every day reality.

My post isn't about being 'freaked out by the idea of owning a car that is no longer under warranty,' this is about a car less than 10 years old, still worth $10K going to a junkyard because GM doesn't make a critical part anymore. I suppose there must be examples of another GM car that's less than 10 years old for which one can not receive, for example, a warranty-guaranteed replacement transmission.

 

[cwerdna]

It used to be that car manufacturer were required to make spare parts for vehicle up to X years old. Maybe X was 10 years? I don't recall.

When was that? It's currently an urban legend: https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/f...rst-time-ev-buyer-parts-availability-question.53675/?post_id=925821#post-925821. I pointed to a piece from 2015.

Warranty and recall obligation is it. Worst case is they can buyback the cars.

 

[Packard V8]

One more time. If an owner has a written warranty still in force, GM must repair the car or buy it back. If the warranty has expired, tough shite and he is on his own. He can go to the aftermarket, buy a rebuilt battery and pay to have it installed by an independent shop.

One more time, the mystery is why the dealership is holding the car they know they can't repair and why the owner is not taking matters in his own hands.

jack vines

 

[rbirling]

And I'll bet that voids the warranties!

You can't void the warranty after it's up

 

[jefro]

Some Tesla hackers offering new packs and even upgrades.

 

[MisterJJ]

In the famous Weber video he removes and opens the traction battery of a 2017 bolt and shows how each module is bolted together with long bolts. He says that he will never try to replace the cell packs because unbolting those modules allows them to swell and you'll never get them back together again. That is why they are replace at the module level, not the three-cell pack level.

Pouch cells are funny in that during charging and discharging they have to be held in compression so they don't have uncontrolled expansion. So not only do they have to be compressed but the compressive force has to move to keep the compression while the pack is expanding and contracting. When I worked at the place building rechargeable battery packs, the ones with pouch cells used a specific foam to compress the cells but also allow them to expand.

But that's all during charging and discharging. They don't just swell up if removed, unless they are already bad cells. They only replace at the module level because the cells have welded connections and removing and replacing them is too difficult and risky. Also, cells are usually "matched" with cells of similar capacity and this can only be tested on individual cells so you'd really have to disassemble the entire module just to replace one cell.

Chevy seems to have gone a step further and decided that even opening the entire pack and replacing a module is not worth the trouble and they just replace entire packs now.

 

[Mangled Jargon]

When was that? It's currently an urban legend: https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/f...rst-time-ev-buyer-parts-availability-question.53675/?post_id=925821#post-925821. I pointed to a piece from 2015.

Warranty and recall obligation is it. Worst case is they can buyback the cars.

I dunno, it was common knowledge back in the 1980s and 1990s. Some Conservative was probably bribed to end that, because it's 'Socialism.'

 

[Mangled Jargon]

You can't void the warranty after it's up

Since this thread is specifically about WARRANTY service, I don't see how we got off topic.