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I just deposited the check from the buyback of my 2017 orange Chevy Bolt Premier with about 40,000 miles after spending about 2 months of the process. I started the process shortly after the new year by calling Chey's general number posted online and ended up with a customer care specialist. This specialist was very attentive and contacted me every few days with updates on where things were at. I had to provide my title, registration and something called a buyers order. I did not have this but me dealer had it and provided it. After all the paperwork was sorted in was transferred to a group in Saginaw MI that performs the next step. The title of the person helping me was a re-purchase coordinator. He pulled together the offer which was based on the lemon law for my state (although the car did not qualify as a lemon under the law. After re-sending all the paperwork to him, he send me a written offer. The offer in my state (MD) was the the base price plus title and fees plus state fees plus sales tax. incentives and a usage fee (capped at 15%) were subtracted. The settlement amount was ~mid thirties and did not consider that I also received the full 7500 federal rebate and a 2000 state rebate. Chevy was very professional and my main talking points early on were only :

1. I paid for a full battery pack not a 95% battery pack
2. I refuse to have the dealer limit my charge level
3. I will accept any solution that results in a full battery capacity or a buy back but have no interest in trading car + cash for a new vehicle.
4. This is my second GM EV purchased new in the past 7 years, both were purchased new.

So what to buy next? I really don't need a car until post covid vaccination so I'm not in a rush. I have my eyes on a few models not out yet that I cannot objectively evaluate but here are my thoughts....I"m a hatchback guy

#1. A new chevy bolt, fully loaded with the larger 259 mile battery. The Chevy is a great option for me if they are discounted at least 20K. That is about where they are at now (mid twenties) and I expect more discounting over the next few months. As long as I have an alterative car for long trips, I consider the Bolt to be near ideal for around town.
#2 The Lyriq: Sounds like a big step up, its still a hatchback and will offer a really nice screen, good range, faster charging and a bit nicer interior. I Dont know if I can wait long enough, I will need a car end of summerish.
#3 Ariya: Should be out soon and looks like a decent hatchback. I'd need the bigger battery. Looks like they have embraced important issues like
CCS charging and a liquid cooled battery.
#4 A few others that can't be driven right now are on my mind
#5 Model Y: Available now, and hopefully they have their fit/finish under control. I'm not a fan of only having a big center screen and the subscription based premium entertainment). This seems like an easy default choice.
#6 Ford Mustang EV: I need to drive this one before I judge too harshly, but in general it sounds a bit too heavy, and the center screen, ugly square dash doesn't do much for me. I'm focusing on the CA edition

I'm also intrigued by the new Audi GT, I find this more attractive than the Porsche.
 

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Congratulations. I am waiting for the offer from the GM Repurchase Coordinator.
Would you share what percentage of your purchase price you received?
You may want to consider the VW ID 4. We are considering it and the Y. Not sure about the Mustang EV as the seating may be too low for easy entry (my wife has really bad back problems). I hope the Bolt EUV being released tomorrow is an option. Would like much higher DC fast charge rate so I can replace our ICE for long tripe (over 500 miles).
 

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#3..wait a couple of months ..they'll start showing up at dealship.
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Thanks for sharing your experience! I hope the process will be wrapped up for me in the next two weeks...the next 10 days or so if I am lucky. Also in Merryland. In MD at least those who paid more for the car will get more. 2017 owners will get the most because the vehicles were not really discounted at all when they first came out. Those with 2019 models who had a lot of incentives will get the least out of the buyback.

I have a deposit on a LR AWD Model Y lease. I have had several VW over the years and have considered the ID.4 however the configuration I want will not be available until June at the earliest and I can't wait that long. I like my Bolt but I need something with more space and very much prefer something that is going to be updated regularly via OTA updates which is why I am jumping on the model Y. I will post my experience as well once everything is completed for me, but, because GM using using the lemon laws in each state I don't think we will really see any variation in the results. States with poor lemon law protections will be the worst and vv.
 

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I just deposited the check from the buyback of my 2017 orange Chevy Bolt Premier with about 40,000 miles after spending about 2 months of the process. I started the process shortly after the new year by calling Chey's general number posted online and ended up with a customer care specialist. This specialist was very attentive and contacted me every few days with updates on where things were at. I had to provide my title, registration and something called a buyers order. I did not have this but me dealer had it and provided it. After all the paperwork was sorted in was transferred to a group in Saginaw MI that performs the next step. The title of the person helping me was a re-purchase coordinator. He pulled together the offer which was based on the lemon law for my state (although the car did not qualify as a lemon under the law. After re-sending all the paperwork to him, he send me a written offer. The offer in my state (MD) was the the base price plus title and fees plus state fees plus sales tax. incentives and a usage fee (capped at 15%) were subtracted. The settlement amount was ~mid thirties and did not consider that I also received the full 7500 federal rebate and a 2000 state rebate. Chevy was very professional and my main talking points early on were only :

1. I paid for a full battery pack not a 95% battery pack
2. I refuse to have the dealer limit my charge level
3. I will accept any solution that results in a full battery capacity or a buy back but have no interest in trading car + cash for a new vehicle.
4. This is my second GM EV purchased new in the past 7 years, both were purchased new.

So what to buy next? I really don't need a car until post covid vaccination so I'm not in a rush. I have my eyes on a few models not out yet that I cannot objectively evaluate but here are my thoughts....I"m a hatchback guy

#1. A new chevy bolt, fully loaded with the larger 259 mile battery. The Chevy is a great option for me if they are discounted at least 20K. That is about where they are at now (mid twenties) and I expect more discounting over the next few months. As long as I have an alterative car for long trips, I consider the Bolt to be near ideal for around town.
#2 The Lyriq: Sounds like a big step up, its still a hatchback and will offer a really nice screen, good range, faster charging and a bit nicer interior. I Dont know if I can wait long enough, I will need a car end of summerish.
#3 Ariya: Should be out soon and looks like a decent hatchback. I'd need the bigger battery. Looks like they have embraced important issues like
CCS charging and a liquid cooled battery.
#4 A few others that can't be driven right now are on my mind
#5 Model Y: Available now, and hopefully they have their fit/finish under control. I'm not a fan of only having a big center screen and the subscription based premium entertainment). This seems like an easy default choice.
#6 Ford Mustang EV: I need to drive this one before I judge too harshly, but in general it sounds a bit too heavy, and the center screen, ugly square dash doesn't do much for me. I'm focusing on the CA edition

I'm also intrigued by the new Audi GT, I find this more attractive than the Porsche.
#7. Bolt EUV and another Bolt Refresh should be introduced in a few days from now. I am considering going this route.
...Mad Mike do You have any knowledge relating to how long the buy back program is going on for? My ideal objective is to get them to buy back in 12-2021 and buy a used 2022 through the DRAC program which I have talked about here before.
 

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Did you get a feeling if they made this offer according to your state's Lemon Law? My state's LL only covers during the OEM warranty, and our 2017 is out of warranty :(

The Ariya has 87kwh usable out of 90 (using 97%). The id.4 is 77 usable out of 82 (using 94%), which sounds more conservative. I think if Nissan wants people to believe it's batteries will last, they will have to be conservative.

In our case, our next EV will tow a popup, so it's probably either mY or id.4 (or id.Buzz if our tow vehicle lives that long).
 

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... I like my Bolt but I need something with more space and very much prefer something that is going to be updated regularly via OTA updates which is why I am jumping on the model Y. ...
Own both the Bolt and the MY. Consider taking the MY for a test drive. We like ours a lot and will be using this as our "distance" travel car.

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I just deposited the check from the buyback of my 2017 orange Chevy Bolt Premier with about 40,000 miles after spending about 2 months of the process.

The offer in my state (MD) was the the base price plus title and fees plus state fees plus sales tax. incentives and a usage fee (capped at 15%) were subtracted. The settlement amount was ~mid thirties and did not consider that I also received the full 7500 federal rebate and a 2000 state rebate.
So it sounds like you drove your Bolt for 4 years and 40,000 miles at right around zero cost?

A Car & Driver article from 2016 says a 2017 Bolt started at $37,500 ... so a Premier was probably stickered at ~$42,000 ... then you got almost $10,000 back in Federal and State Rebates, so your original purchase price was $32k + ~$2k in taxes and fees = $34K-ish ... right about what you received on your buyback? Is that correct?
 

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So it sounds like you drove your Bolt for 4 years and 40,000 miles at right around zero cost?

A Car & Driver article from 2016 says a 2017 Bolt started at $37,500 ... so a Premier was probably stickered at ~$42,000 ... then you got almost $10,000 back in Federal and State Rebates, so your original purchase price was $32k + ~$2k in taxes and fees = $34K-ish ... right about what you received on your buyback? Is that correct?
 

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My sticker price was 43905,000 and I negotiated ~5000 off sticker back when I purchased the car so by my back of the envelope calculation I made a couple of thousand dollars over the 3.5 years (I purchased twenty days after joining the forum the first day MD state incentives began. I owned the car if you count rebates, "lost" few thousand if you don't count the rebates. Either way too good for me to pass up. If the EV rebate comes back for Chevys (under consideration by a friendly congress) I will be a happy camper.
 

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#7. Bolt EUV and another Bolt Refresh should be introduced in a few days from now. I am considering going this route.
...Mad Mike do You have any knowledge relating to how long the buy back program is going on for? My ideal objective is to get them to buy back in 12-2021 and buy a used 2022 through the DRAC program which I have talked about here before.
I have no idea how long the buyback will last, I just thought it was reasonable to start trying after the issue was known for a month or so.
They said repeatedly though out the process that they had no legal obligation to buyback. I'll consider any new Chevy, but I'm not willing to pay MSRP for a new Chevy unless they are as good as other new EVs.
 

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Did you get a feeling if they made this offer according to your state's Lemon Law? My state's LL only covers during the OEM warranty, and our 2017 is out of warranty :(

The Ariya has 87kwh usable out of 90 (using 97%). The id.4 is 77 usable out of 82 (using 94%), which sounds more conservative. I think if Nissan wants people to believe it's batteries will last, they will have to be conservative.

In our case, our next EV will tow a popup, so it's probably either mY or id.4 (or id.Buzz if our tow vehicle lives that long).
Just to be clear they definitely considered the lemon law. When I asked about how much the offer would be he referred me to Maryland Lemon law.
 

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My response was to leave GM and Bolt only slightly more quickly. Tesla took my Bolt. I ordered a 3 Long Range in late November, not knowing that Tesla was making major changes in the car, while charging less. Just as I ordered the 3, they made it 4WD all time, changed the pack from 76 kwh to 82 kwh (353 miles), changed the formulation, added a heat exchanger, and, of course, the many continuous software upgrades. And the final price would have been "only" 48K total. With the trade in, I paid less than 32K difference. I am a Bolt lover. I am also a Miev lover, for what it does, and my major preference for daily village duties is a little German three wheeled CityEl. Love all those vehicles. But, I have never had anything like the new Model 3. Sorry, but there is no comparison. Out of all the choices that you mentioned, the 3 has been manufactured the longest and in the greatest quantities...past 550,000 at this moment. They appeared to have learned a lot, making the model that they have sold the most. We use the Miev for local recycling and dog trips. I use the CityEl for local errands. The 3 gets us everywhere else...all across the USA...with supercharging free for a year. I would normally not use such charging at all, but may be going to a school reunion this summer, pending Covid. My attitude about limiting the Bolt parameters to less than originally offered was rigid, as I needed every mile, especially in the winter to get my wife through a 162 mile round trip for her treatments. Would I consider GM again? I would consider only a BEV3 Caddy or Buick. But I have never experienced the performance of this 2021 Three from any kind of car. To me, not anyone else here on the forum, just to me, it feels like 20K more than I paid. And, I was a Bolt warrior. (Oh, BTW, I realize that I did not get to put it to GM anything like the OP.).
 

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My response was to leave GM and Bolt only slightly more quickly. Tesla took my Bolt. I ordered a 3 Long Range in late November, not knowing that Tesla was making major changes in the car, while charging less. Just as I ordered the 3, they made it 4WD all time, changed the pack from 76 kwh to 82 kwh (353 miles), changed the formulation, added a heat exchanger, and, of course, the many continuous software upgrades. And the final price would have been "only" 48K total. With the trade in, I paid less than 32K difference. I am a Bolt lover. I am also a Miev lover, for what it does, and my major preference for daily village duties is a little German three wheeled CityEl. Love all those vehicles. But, I have never had anything like the new Model 3. Sorry, but there is no comparison. Out of all the choices that you mentioned, the 3 has been manufactured the longest and in the greatest quantities...past 550,000 at this moment. They appeared to have learned a lot, making the model that they have sold the most. We use the Miev for local recycling and dog trips. I use the CityEl for local errands. The 3 gets us everywhere else...all across the USA...with supercharging free for a year. I would normally not use such charging at all, but may be going to a school reunion this summer, pending Covid. My attitude about limiting the Bolt parameters to less than originally offered was rigid, as I needed every mile, especially in the winter to get my wife through a 162 mile round trip for her treatments. Would I consider GM again? I would consider only a BEV3 Caddy or Buick. But I have never experienced the performance of this 2021 Three from any kind of car. To me, not anyone else here on the forum, just to me, it feels like 20K more than I paid. And, I was a Bolt warrior. (Oh, BTW, I realize that I did not get to put it to GM anything like the OP.).
The trunk on the model three is a non-starter for me (too small with crappy access), but the Y ;has most of what I am looking for. I have test driven both vehicles. I will admit to being somewhat biased against Tesla technology. I feel like I am in a video game driving these cars with only the center screen and no traditional dashboard. The idea that they are doing away with a physical gear shifter for the Model S just makes me shake my head....but maybe I'm just old and set in my ways.
 

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....but maybe I'm just old and set in my ways.
Yes. I totally agree. I expect such a loyal response from most members here. It is exactly the response that I would have given...here...three months ago. But this topic should not be like our national politics. Actually, nothing should be like our national politics. I gave my assessment, based upon having EVs since 1973, having been an amateur radio operator since age nine, and having owned an Olds 442, a Boss 429 in the family, and having lovingly taken care of a Bolt since 2018. My garage has three forms of EV in it. No ICE. My comments were based upon those experiences. BTW, even with that background, the display and all functions seemed more than natural after using the system for about 48 hours. The BEV3 and more electronics and more performance and handling is necessary for the GM survival, and GM knows that. I really do not care who makes a great car, just that it be made.
 

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Considering that I will NEVER be able to pry our Bolt away from my wife, I'm patiently awaiting the permanent fix that restores the full mileage capabilities of the battery pack. COVID has eliminated the three annual big mileage trips she would normally take anyway, so we keep the charge set to Hilltop Reserve and await the eventual remedy.
 

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Definitely Model Y. Better quality, technology and faster charging stations and easier to find them.
 

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Definitely Model Y. Better quality, technology and faster charging stations and easier to find them.
While agree on the last parts of your statement, I would NOT buy a Model Y. Predicted reliability of the Y is awful per Who Makes the Most Reliable New Cars?. I normally will not buy a vehicle w/below average reliability unless there's a really good reason to.

I've posted about the reasons why I didn't buy a Model 3 when the MR version was the cheapest in Jan 2019/end of Dec 2018 in a bunch of places. I instead bought a '19 Bolt at end of Jan 2019. Since then, Tesla has doing nothing to address my issues w/the 3 other than price somewhat. The Y does nothing to address of the 3's issues and is even more $ besides me not liking its styling.

My '19 Bolt is still not under recall (per check of My Chevrolet app and NHTSA's site less than 5 hours ago) and haven't once yet needed the full range of my Bolt. If my Bolt were to get totaled for some reason or turns out to be a POS (hasn't needed any repairs yet), I do wonder what I'd replace it with. It wouldn't be a Y and likely still wouldn't be a 3.

If I did road trips often and it had to be on electric, sure, maybe I might be more inclined due to Tesla's excellent network and DC FCing speeds but the last time I did one was in mid-2017.

(For the record, I'm no fan of GM. My parents had 3 GM products in the past and they weren't very good in reliability. Since then, all vehicles but one have been Japanese. I'd only bought/leased Japanese until Bolt. Those Japanese cars were much better from a reliability POV than the aforementioned 3 GM vehicles.)
 
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