Complimentary DC Fast Chargers at Chevy dealerships map?
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Right, I've seen that too. I just think it would be helpful to see map as described in thread title.
I agree that it would be nice if they did that.
I filter out irrelevant connectors in Plugshare so that I only see what I can connect to (other than 120V..I don't care that you're sharing your plug
). So I see the orange DCFC and know it's there and then click on it to see that it's a dealer. I'm good with that.
I filter out irrelevant connectors in Plugshare so that I only see what I can connect to (other than 120V..I don't care that you're sharing your plug
). So I see the orange DCFC and know it's there and then click on it to see that it's a dealer. I'm good with that.
IMHO: Most (not all) free DCFC encourages squatting. A blocked DC EVSE does not help anyone (especially those of us whose nearest DCFC is 175 miles away). We should not be so "elitist" that we encourage free DCFC. We should all be willing to pay "gasoline equivalent" prices. {e.g. a 30 kWh "fill-up" [50% of my 60 kWh battery] is common; @ 4 mi/kWh, that 30 kWh will move me 120 miles; an ICE car [@30 mpg] will use up 4 gallons costing [@$2.50/gal.] $10.} I would happily pay $10 for 30kWh. We pay $200/year for home-charging electricity. I travel (400+ miles one-way) ~8 times year, utilizing DCFC ~8 times, paying ~$90+. That totals $290. We save $1800/year by not buying gasoline. We are happy with that <1:6 cost ratio.
Is that for the sake of a line up behind you or...???
I've done full charges on a DCFC. It has its step downs. Deeper into the 90%'s it'll finally step down to L2 speed. But up 'til then the next faster speed I've seen is mid-teens. Pretty clever these cars.
Yes, for the other people waiting for the charger, esp on long trips. Seems some complaints of people insisting on waiting to reach 100% on free DCFC stations. They probably would not be doing that at a paid DCFC station that charges by the minute.
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Free DC Fast Charge
I played with the filters on Chargepoint app and saw that there are free DC Fast Chargers!
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It would be nice if GM made ALL Chevrolet dealers make their level 2 chargers available to their Bolt buyers--if even for a price. They all have such chargers since they have Bolts in stock to sell. My dealer fast charged my Bolt while I waited when I bought it. They don't make their charger available to Bolt owners. The nearest level 2 charger to me is a Nissan dealer, who charges $5.
My impression is the sales people in some of these dealerships don't know a lot about these cars. My salesman didn't tell me anything about battery conditioning--had to learn it here and the manual. In addition, they messed up the paperwork going to the state auto registry, and the title came back marked "gasoline." The dealer took care of this, but I'm still waiting for the proper title.
My impression is the sales people in some of these dealerships don't know a lot about these cars. My salesman didn't tell me anything about battery conditioning--had to learn it here and the manual. In addition, they messed up the paperwork going to the state auto registry, and the title came back marked "gasoline." The dealer took care of this, but I'm still waiting for the proper title.
A dealership is a crappy place to charge. If there's going to be a requirement for dealers to offer charging, then GM should go ahead and make it worthwhile:
1. DCFC preferably at 75 kW or higher. 24 kW at the absolute minimum. May as well have the ability to charge a Bolt and Spark EV at full speed.
2. Positioned at the edge of the dealership property allowing for 24/7 access. Preferably a covered area possibly with vending.
3. Free or discounted for GM EV owners. Others can charge, but it should be priced such that usage will only occur when absolutely necessary. The objective is to offer a perk to GM EV owners, not to be general public charging.
4. Be well maintained. Make sure the chargers work, and send out matinenance folks to fix them when they don't work properly.
Dealerships are one of the worst places in the world to charge. So if GM is going that route, they should make it worthwhile for their customers.
ga2500ev
1. DCFC preferably at 75 kW or higher. 24 kW at the absolute minimum. May as well have the ability to charge a Bolt and Spark EV at full speed.
2. Positioned at the edge of the dealership property allowing for 24/7 access. Preferably a covered area possibly with vending.
3. Free or discounted for GM EV owners. Others can charge, but it should be priced such that usage will only occur when absolutely necessary. The objective is to offer a perk to GM EV owners, not to be general public charging.
4. Be well maintained. Make sure the chargers work, and send out matinenance folks to fix them when they don't work properly.
Dealerships are one of the worst places in the world to charge. So if GM is going that route, they should make it worthwhile for their customers.
ga2500ev
True points,
Too, Free is a race by the squatters to kill it. Funny they usually charge to 100%, overstay and shut polite users out, and long-term shorten their battery-life. Lose, lose, loser.
I think I'm reading that fast charging will shorten battery life in general. I don't have enough logging to know for sure.
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The only reason GM has a requirement for the dealer to have a "fast" charger is because it is needed for pre-delivery prep and for service.
I'm aware. The OP is looking for some charging utility from dealerships. I was just suggesting if GM dealerships are going to offer charging, then they should just go ahead and do it better so that it can be more useful for especially Bolt owners, but also to the EV community in general. All it would take is two or three covered parking spots at the edge of the dealership property near the fence to give 24/7 access. Essentially it's extending the same type of model that Harley Davidson is doing for their LiveWire Bike customers by offering dealership charging at 24 kW.
But like I said, dealerships are crappy places to charge. However, GM has a lot of real estate all over tied up in dealerships. So they certainly could advance EV charging availability by spreading out 24 kW chargers in local areas, and 50 kW chargers such as the Efacec QC45-Batt with 30 kWh battery backup offering 50 kW of charging power to more rural and highway located dealerships. The goodwill alone will improve their EV sales numbers.
ga2500ev
That's not true. My local Chevy dealer does not carry Bolts, in fact they refuse to sell any kind of plug in vehicle (including the Volts when they were available) When I asked they told me that they don't have any level-2 chargers either.
Two years ago when we bought the Volt the local dealer tried to talk me out of it, I ended up having to drive up to Tucson (90 miles away) to buy it. When we bought the Bolt back in Dec 2018, we also had to got up to Tucson.
The dealer where we bought the Bolt has a Level-3 charger, back in their service department. I added it to Plugshare a couple times, but it keeps getting deleted. I guess the dealer doesn't want folks to know about it.
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