[mdwill]

I agree that mistakes have been made by health care professionals in whom we place our trust. But I still believe that they are more worthy of that trust than those who are calling them liars.

Maybe I am different or have higher standards for people that should be experts and are tasked with giving me correct information but for me if someone that is in authority lies once I never trust them again. Fauci did lie, does that make him a liar? No. Does those lies taint what he says now making it hard to trust anything he says as the truth? Yes. If you excuse the lies from those you agree with because "It's for the greater good" you can't get mad when those you don't agree with do it as well when it's for their "greater good". When it is acceptable for people in authority to give false information to get the "appropriate" response then our form of government stops working, and really we are there now.

 

[mdwill]

As with most problems, they arise due to counterproductive cultural values. We think Trump is responsible for our own health, or some expert, or a physician. These entities can affect our health in small ways, but the person with primary interest in their health should be themselves. Who else has more responsibility for owning the health of your own body and mind? If someone else is responsible for your health, then you don't have control of your body, because there is no such thing as authority without responsibility.

People don't want responsibility though, so they are willing to give others authority to assume it, then complain when an uncompassionate bureaucracy fails to deliver optimal results.

More broadly, this concept applies to everything. Anytime some other entity has a stake in the outcome of something, they have a proportionate amount of authority, or say. This is why parents have authority over their children, because they have 100% stake in them. A baby pays for nothing and is responsible for nothing. The sign of a maturing child is the share of responsibility they take on for themselves. The most noble person then is the one that has assumed the greatest share of responsibility they can handle with competence, and the despicable one thrusts responsibility on others without having tried to assume it for themselves.

I agree no one is responsible for my health but me. If I want to eat, drink, smoke, or drug myself to death it should be my choice.

 

[GJETSON]

Warming already baked in will blow past climate goals, study finds

The amount of baked-in global warming is enough to blow past international agreed upon goals to limit climate change, a new study found.

www.nbcnews.com

Viral mutations may cause another ‘very, very bad’ COVID-19 wave, scientists warn

Growing evidence that U.K. variant spreads faster triggers calls for tighter control measures

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Sean Nelson]

I agree no one is responsible for my health but me. If I want to eat, drink, smoke, or drug myself to death it should be my choice.

As they say, "your right to swing your fist ends at my face". You can get drunk as much as you want, but you can't go out and drive when you're under the influence. And in a pandemic, I believe that certain restrictions are justified in order to protect the health system. If too many people who say "it's my right to get COVID" end up in the hospitals, it will affect my ability to get health care should I need it.

 

[mdwill]

As they say, "your right to swing your fist ends at my face". You can get drunk as much as you want, but you can't go out and drive when you're under the influence. And in a pandemic, I believe that certain restrictions are justified in order to protect the health system. If too many people who say "it's my right to get COVID" end up in the hospitals, it will affect my ability to get health care should I need it.

How far do you want to go with that though? It's not only harm on one side you know and even the WHO recognizes the harm that is caused.

What is WHO’s position on ‘lockdowns’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions, often referred to as ‘lockdowns’, can slow COVID‑19 transmission by limiting contact between people.
However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. Such measures disproportionately affect disadvantaged groups, including people in poverty, migrants, internally displaced people and refugees, who most often live in overcrowded and under resourced settings, and depend on daily labour for subsistence.
WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time.
Governments must make the most of the extra time granted by ‘lockdown’ measures by doing all they can to build their capacities to detect, isolate, test and care for all cases; trace and quarantine all contacts; engage, empower and enable populations to drive the societal response and more.
WHO is hopeful that countries will use targeted interventions where and when needed, based on the local situation.

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Herd immunity, lockdowns and COVID-19

Updated 31 December 2020

www.who.int

 

[Sean Nelson]

How far do you want to go with that though? It's not only harm on one side you know and even the WHO recognizes the harm that is caused.

I totally understand that there is a huge spectrum of possible restrictions and that there will never be universal agreement on what's best. Dealing with those kind of conflicting opinions is part of a functioning society, and I supect that you can usually tell when you're close to a reasonable solution when you have roughly equal numbers of people on both sides complaining that you've gone too far / not far enough.

But it has to start with an acknowledgement that we are in an extraordinary situation which requires extraordinary measures. Simply saying "the virus is a hoax" or "you have no right to control any aspect of what I do" is not, IMHO, a helpful or rational attitude.

 

[mdwill]

No one here has said "the virus is a hoax" and I only said, "you have no right to limit the number of families in a private residence". It would be interesting if the people that made these mandates went without their paychecks and abided but the same restrictions. I was fully on board with the 15 days to flatten the curve and I didn't care much up until November and now that we can't go to the gym it is affecting my family's physical and mental health, so ya.

 

[redpoint5]

As a medical provider, my wife is being encouraged to take the vaccine. My opinion was that I would refuse it since we've already got the best inoculation; recovery from being infected. Since the vaccine supply is extremely limited, it would be best used by someone else.

I intend to refuse vaccination since I have immunity. Of course, I would take the vaccine if I hadn't already become invulnerable, but I would ask to be put at the end of the list so that those with higher risk factors receive it first.

Yesterday we set a new record for deaths at 4,100. It's more important now than ever for those with the greatest risk to be immunized.

 

[MisterJJ]

Yesterday we set a new record for deaths at 4,100. It's more important now than ever for those with the greatest risk to be immunized.

Yup. I'd say I'm a medium risk. Over 55 and had pneumonia 2 years ago. I work for a medical device company so we can actually request to be in the next group of vaccinations. I think I'll wait so others with higher risk can get it.

 

[redpoint5]

Yup. I'd say I'm a medium risk. Over 55 and had pneumonia 2 years ago. I work for a medical device company so we can actually request to be in the next group of vaccinations. I think I'll wait so others with higher risk can get it.

I work for a medical device company as well. Just received an email from IntelliCentrics that they are adding Covid vaccination to the list of possible credentialing requirements. My credentials also must be kept current for Symplr, so I'm sure they will add that as a requirement soon.

As with the flu shot, they will likely require the credential unless a form is signed declining it. I'll decline (though I had my flu shot back in September).

Apparently side-effects (like soreness near the injection) from the 2nd injection tend to be more pronounced than the first. Dr. Campbell was saying this is typical since the body is already primed to launch a response when a prior dose had been received.

...I think my taste is likely back to 95%. Salt tastes salty again, and I can actually experience too much salt now.

 

[GJETSON]

My wife and I are bubbled-up since mid-March. We will be holding off until all the medical, and other essential workers are done. If we couldn't get other medical help, or groceries, because these people are sick/overwhelmed, our being vaccinated would be of little use.

 

[GJETSON]

Good info from this point in the video:

 

[GJETSON]

As a medical provider, my wife is being encouraged to take the vaccine. My opinion was that I would refuse it since we've already got the best inoculation; recovery from being infected. Since the vaccine supply is extremely limited, it would be best used by someone else.

I intend to refuse vaccination since I have immunity. Of course, I would take the vaccine if I hadn't already become invulnerable, but I would ask to be put at the end of the list so that those with higher risk factors receive it first.

Yesterday we set a new record for deaths at 4,100. It's more important now than ever for those with the greatest risk to be immunized.

From Osterholm, you may be inadvertently helping the virus mutate.

 

[redpoint5]

From Osterholm, you may be inadvertently helping the virus mutate.

Mutation is unavoidable and always occurs. I'll watch but I doubt anything I learn will change the risk/benefit calculus.

 

[GJETSON]

Mutation is unavoidable and always occurs. I'll watch but I doubt anything I learn will change the risk/benefit calculus.

Been taking vitamin C, and D since March, always masked in public, stay as far away from others as possible, and pass as quickly as possible, haven't smoked 46 years, daily exercise, and a very varied diet. Fingers crossed, Depends cinched up.

I know you watch Campbell. He has another good one today.

 

[redpoint5]

Been taking vitamin C, and D since March, always masked in public, stay as far away from others as possible, and pass as quickly as possible, haven't smoked 46 years, daily exercise, and a very varied diet. Fingers crossed, Depends cinched up.

I know you watch Campbell. He has another good one today.

I'm getting to it. Normal routine is start the day with Robinhood Snacks, then Scott Adams (just hearing about Capitol raid now), then John Campbell. What I learn varies since I'm working. If what I'm doing is mindless, I absorb more, if I'm concentrating, I pretty much miss everything.

I prefer Campbells videos since he has an outline on paper to reference. I can see what topics will be most interesting and in what order.

 

[GJETSON]

Robinhood Snacks

I see you are dabbling in the markets. I have a longtime friend who, like me, is a blue collar, socialist, libtard. He retired several years ago. He is single, with no kids, owns his home, and an old Corolla, so though he might gamble some of his retirement money in risky investments. Rather than buy windmill and solar stock, like we did, he found a place that looked legit to buy some Bitcoin. He bought 100 at $850 each. He is not sorry he did. Hard work pays off

BTCUSD | Bitcoin USD Overview | MarketWatch

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www.marketwatch.com

 

[redpoint5]

I see you are dabbling in the markets. I have a longtime friend who, like me, is a blue collar, socialist, libtard. He retired several years ago. He is single, with no kids, owns his home, and an old Corolla, so though he might gamble some of his retirement money in risky investments. Rather than buy windmill and solar stock, like we did, he found a place that looked legit to buy some Bitcoin. He bought 100 at $850 each. He is not sorry he did. Hard work pays off

Funny you mention this. I'm in a text thread as we speak about a $100 investment game our group participated in. We'd all invest $100 how we wanted, and after the investment period the winner gets a bottle of scotch (to share with us losers). The winner invested all of it into Bitcoin. Had I invested $500 back in the day, I could have sold it for $20M today. I knew it had no value and is fundamentally flawed, so I avoided it. Even advised a coworker to sell at $70. The investors just don't know the flaws, yet.

I despise the stock market and so had never really invested until October. I'm substantially invested now, but I still despise it. Zero sum game wasting everyone's time and producing nothing of value for that work. Sounds like a government program

If I were your friend, I'd sell now and enjoy it at a time where he will never be younger.

BTW - I've never considered you a libtard. Disagree with your opinion that many of the socialist ideas would be a net benefit to everyone's well-being.

 

[GJETSON]

The investors just don't know the flaws, yet.

I despise the stock market...Zero sum game wasting everyone's time and producing nothing of value for that work. Sounds like a government program

JPMorgan—Bitcoin’s ‘Biggest Enemy’—Suddenly Appears To Be Going All In On Crypto

J.P. Morgan's turbulent relationship with bitcoin appears to be rapidly softening...

www.forbes.com

BlackRock CEO Reveals The Surprise ‘Real Impact’ Of Bitcoin On The U.S. Dollar

Larry Fink, BlackRock's chief executive, has warned the growing popularity of bitcoin and digital currencies is having a "real impact" the U.S. dollar...

www.forbes.com

Sounds like capitalism.

 

[redpoint5]