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So here in NH our electricity cost just more than doubled last month. That means we now pay $0.313 per kwh for our electricity ($0.226/kwh is the electricity cost and $0.09/kwh is the delivery cost). So, if I drive 1000 miles per month and I get 4 miles per kwh, it will cost me $78 in charging costs for home charging, or about $0.078 per mile driven. Our ICE SUV gets 30 mpg, which translates to $0.116 per mile driven if gas costs $3.49/gallon. In other words, even at these grossly high electricity prices the EV is still about 33% cheaper than ICE per mile. And this ignores maintenance costs, which are much higher for the ICE. But once winter sets in I expect the efficiency to drop to 3 miles per kwh, or perhaps even lower. That would raise my electricity cost per mile to $0.104, or almost parity with burning gas in my ICE.

Does anybody out there have higher electric rates than we "enjoy" here in New Hampshire?
 

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Hawaii is highest. Vermont tries to compete among the highest rates. California turns folks power off and bills them for the trouble.

Curious why your bill doubled, and how it was "explained" to you as a great thing.

Electric Rates by State | Payless Power
 

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Time to invest on solar panels, you don't have to go all out. Start small and keep expanding as you see there is money to be spent.
In my state Oct-May kWh is 0.0547 and additional taxes and other fees.
May-October 0.0764 kWh.
And we are already thinking about completely going off grid because our solar power and 250 kWh battery storage is making enough energy for house and powering EVS when necessary. My business has commercial rate so any additional juice necessary can be done there.
And once you start charging on free energy then you will count how many smiles you have per mile. If you decide to go this route and you can actually install solar, make sure you do good research and learn about everything related to off grid living. There is a lot of hardware that can be purchased for not much money and will serve you for many decades to come.
 

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We're at $.24 a kWh here in Long Island. We get offpeak discounts and an additional EVSE discount so I wind up at about $.15. Here's some simple math for reference:

National Average for gas on 9/19/22: $3.67
Cost per mile for 32 mpg ICE Equivalent: $.11
Cost per mile for 32 mpg ICE Equivalent @ $4.00 / gallon: $.12
Cost per mile for 32 mpg ICE Equivalent @ $4.25 / gallon: $.13
Cost per mile for 32 mpg ICE Equivalent @ $4.50 / gallon: $.14
Cost per mile for 32 mpg ICE Equivalent @ $5.00 / gallon: $.16

Cost per kWhCost per mile for Bolt ($.05/3.6mi/kWh, rounded)Cost savings over gas per mile ($.11-X)Cost savings per 10000 milesCost savings @ $4.00 gas, 10k milesCost savings @ $4.25 gas, 10k milesCost savings @ $4.50 gas, 10k milesCost savings @ $5.00 gas, 10k miles
$.05 / kWh$.01$.10$1000$1100$1200$1300$1500
$.10 / kWh$.03$.08$800$900$1100$1200$1400
$.15 / kWh$.04$.07$700$800$900$1000$1200
$.20 / kWh$.06$.05$500$600$700$800$1000
$.25 / kWh$.07$.04$400$500$600$700$900
$.30 / kWh$.08$.03$300$400$500$600$800
$.35 / kWh$.09$.02$200$300$400$500$700
$.40 / kWh$.11$.00$0$100$200$300$500
$.45 / kWh$.12-$.01-$100$0$100$200$400
 

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So here in NH our electricity cost just more than doubled last month. That means we now pay $0.313 per kwh for our electricity ($0.226/kwh is the electricity cost and $0.09/kwh is the delivery cost). So, if I drive 1000 miles per month and I get 4 miles per kwh, it will cost me $78 in charging costs for home charging, or about $0.078 per mile driven. Our ICE SUV gets 30 mpg, which translates to $0.116 per mile driven if gas costs $3.49/gallon. In other words, even at these grossly high electricity prices the EV is still about 33% cheaper than ICE per mile. And this ignores maintenance costs, which are much higher for the ICE. But once winter sets in I expect the efficiency to drop to 3 miles per kwh, or perhaps even lower. That would raise my electricity cost per mile to $0.104, or almost parity with burning gas in my ICE.

Does anybody out there have higher electric rates than we "enjoy" here in New Hampshire?
Nighttime rate in Twin Cities MN is .04/kHw.
Move here. We have cold weather too.
 

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We're at $.24 a kWh here in Long Island. We get offpeak discounts and an additional EVSE discount so I wind up at about $.15. Here's some simple math for reference:

National Average for gas on 9/19/22: $3.67
Cost per mile for 32 mpg ICE Equivalent: $.11

Cost per kWhCost per mile for Bolt ($.05/3.6mi/kWh, rounded)Cost savings over gas per mile ($.11-X)Cost savings per 10000 miles
$.05 / kWh$.01$.10$1000
$.10 / kWh$.03$.08$800
$.15 / kWh$.04$.07$700
$.20 / kWh$.06$.05$500
$.25 / kWh$.07$.04$400
$.30 / kWh$.08$.03$300
$.35 / kWh$.09$.02$200
$.40 / kWh$.11$.00$0
$.45 / kWh$.12-$.01-$100
The problem with this chart is the gas prices tend to follow kWh prices. In areas with high kWh prices, gas prices tend to be far higher than national averages. In San Diego last week, I didn't pay close attention, but I seem to recall seeing $5.50/gal.
 

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The problem with this chart is the gas prices tend to follow kWh prices. In areas with high kWh prices, gas prices tend to be far higher than national averages. In San Diego last week, I didn't pay close attention, but I seem to recall seeing $5.50/gal.
Fair point, made additions but I may have made it too confusing?
 

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Hawaii is highest. Vermont tries to compete among the highest rates. California turns folks power off and bills them for the trouble.

Curious why your bill doubled, and how it was "explained" to you as a great thing.

Electric Rates by State | Payless Power
The explanation was that the cost of natural gas has doubled, and much of our power comes from gas generators.
 

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My electricity is up to $0.19/ kWh all in at the bottom of my bill in Syracuse, NY. Up from $0.13 a couple years ago.
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Until recently my Delivery and Supply were about the same at around $0.10 per kwh. But then the Supply number more than doubled, making my bill go up more than 50%. It happened the first month after I bought the Bolt. I swear they were just waiting for me to get an electric ;-)
 

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I feel lucky. Delivered rate in southern MO is about $0.10 per kWH. I'm averaging 3.3mi/kwh which puts me at about $0.03 per mile. Even with gas prices coming down, my old car would be at $0.11 per mile. When I ordered my EUV gas was 50% higher or about $0.16 per mile. At 30,000 miles per year I'm paying $900 for electricity vs $3,300 for gas. Had gas stayed at the previous high I would be paying $4,800 a year.

I've looked into solar but at my current cost of electricity the payback is too long.
 

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I feel lucky. Delivered rate in southern MO is about $0.10 per kWH. I'm averaging 3.3mi/kwh which puts me at about $0.03 per mile. Even with gas prices coming down, my old car would be at $0.11 per mile. When I ordered my EUV gas was 50% higher or about $0.16 per mile. At 30,000 miles per year I'm paying $900 for electricity vs $3,300 for gas. Had gas stayed at the previous high I would be paying $4,800 a year.

I've looked into solar but at my current cost of electricity the payback is too long.
I am considering solar. I think the payback may be measured in months ;-)
 

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Let's see some screen shots of these electric bills so we can tell what you all are really paying.
When I talk about how much I pay per kWh, I mean how much they charge per kWh. Not the fees that are static. There is the base electrical rate, then about 5 or 6 other fees and taxes that are based on usage. All of those dynamic fees added up are what I consider to be my kWh rate.
 
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