[p7wang]

Any guess as to whether new DCFC would pop up between Bakersfield and Baker before summer 2020?

 

[BoltFan]

EA is now reporting 12/31/19 at 3:20 p.m. that Bishop is now open!!! Happy New Year! The East Side is now open with Bishop and Bridgeport ... can't wait til spring / summer!

 

[Paul Gipe]

Yes, I got the notice 1 January 2020 and saw some check ins on PlugShare. Hesperia has also opened. Maybe that's a good sign that EA will soon open Coso Junction and Mojave. One can hope.

Paul

 

[BoltFan]

Yes, I got the notice 1 January 2020 and saw some check ins on PlugShare. Hesperia has also opened. Maybe that's a good sign that EA will soon open Coso Junction and Mojave. One can hope.

Paul

Did you see the diatribe some KIA Niro owner put up on the plugshare site for Bishop? It's not even open for 24 hrs. and some dude is railing on it because he believes EA is ripping 'em off. Consider this. It may not be perfect right now, but it sure as heck beats the alternative (no DCFC on the East Side). Ha! Ha! I just checked the site again after posting this and it looks like EA or Plugshare deleted the essay that dude wrote. Nice Job!

 

[Paul Gipe]

Did you see the diatribe some KIA Niro owner put up on the plugshare site for Bishop? It's not even open for 24 hrs. and some dude is railing on it because he believes EA is ripping 'em off. Consider this. It may not be perfect right now, but it sure as heck beats the alternative (no DCFC on the East Side). Ha! Ha! I just checked the site again after posting this and it looks like EA or Plugshare deleted the essay that dude wrote. Nice Job!

Yes, I saw it. It was grossly ignorant of the big picture. We've been clamoring with the state and CalTrans for stations on the East Side for years. EA finally does it and some newby complains. If it wasn't working that's one thing, that it has an odd pricing schedule is another. Kona drivers are not big players in the EV world or charging world. The sad reality is its Tesla, Bolt, and Nissan.

Paul

 

[SparkE]

Yes, I saw it. It was grossly ignorant of the big picture. We've been clamoring with the state and CalTrans for stations on the East Side for years. EA finally does it and some newby complains. If it wasn't working that's one thing, that it has an odd pricing schedule is another. Kona drivers are not big players in the EV world or charging world. The sad reality is its Tesla, Bolt, and Nissan.

Paul, thanks for all the information about (and advocacy for) EVs. I would like to make a couple clarifications on your previous post.

1. "Kona drivers are not big players in the EV world." IN THE US, at the moment. Hyundai worldwide made the decision to NOT make the Ioniq BEV much of a player in the U.S. - they did ship quite a lot worldwide. (My personal suspicion is that they decided to leave the U.S. market to Chevy and later Nissan when first GM, then Nissan announced a range over 150 miles for their 2017 releases and they got surprised after announcing their 124 mile-range EV.) They decided to "play" in a sandbox that wasn't already crowded with longer-range vehicles. We will see going forward - and I think a big issue is whether or not they will be able to get batteries; they didn't have a "locked in" source of a large supply, or to get involved on the production end via deals until (maybe) very recently. (Last month they announced a deal with SK Innovation.)

2. The sad reality is it's Tesla, Bolt, and Nissan. It is sad, because of the small volume of EVs being sold. However, to be honest, the sad reality is that it is Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Bolt, and Nissan. In general, Tesla drivers don't really care about the 'public' (standards-based) fast-charging infrastructure; they don't HAVE to use it.

 

[Paul Gipe]

Paul, thanks for all the information about (and advocacy for) EVs. I would like to make a couple clarifications on your previous post.

1. "Kona drivers are not big players in the EV world." IN THE US, at the moment. Hyundai worldwide made the decision to NOT make the Ioniq BEV much of a player in the U.S. - they did ship quite a lot worldwide. (My personal suspicion is that they decided to leave the U.S. market to Chevy and later Nissan when first GM, then Nissan announced a range over 150 miles for their 2017 releases and they got surprised after announcing their 124 mile-range EV.) They decided to "play" in a sandbox that wasn't already crowded with longer-range vehicles. We will see going forward - and I think a big issue is whether or not they will be able to get batteries; they didn't have a "locked in" source of a large supply, or to get involved on the production end via deals until (maybe) very recently. (Last month they announced a deal with SK Innovation.)

2. The sad reality is it's Tesla, Bolt, and Nissan. It is sad, because of the small volume of EVs being sold. However, to be honest, the sad reality is that it is Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Bolt, and Nissan. In general, Tesla drivers don't really care about the 'public' (standards-based) fast-charging infrastructure; they don't HAVE to use it.

Agreed!

I just updated some figures for an upcoming presentation to the local Sierra Club. (The message: get off your duff now, ditch the SUV, and get an EV.) What I found was flabbergasting. I hadn't paid attention to Tesla's volume.

370,000 vehicles in 2019 for Tesla; 18,000 for the Bolt. 300,000 Model 3s! Now that's pushing EVs.

GM has blown the lead they had. The Bolt's a great car--one of the best we've ever owned. There should have been hundreds of thousands of them by now.

Paul

 

[GJETSON]

GM has blown the lead they had. The Bolt's a great car--one of the best we've ever owned. There should have been hundreds of thousands of them by now.

Electric cars are more expensive than ICE cars, because batteries are expensive. Over five years of regular commuting you will have broken even, and then start pulling ahead. Americans don't think like that. They lease for three years, and flip to a new one.

Tesla has a great charging infrastructure, for the trips worker drones imagine they will make. But the main reason they sell is because they are selling sex appeal. Nothing about our automobile culture makes any sense at all, outside the lens of status.

 

[SparkE]

GM has blown the lead they had. The Bolt's a great car--one of the best we've ever owned. There should have been hundreds of thousands of them by now.

GM never had a lead. Or rather, they gave up the lead when they crushed all the EV1s, back in the 20th century.

In 2017, GM shipped about 23K Bolts (their highest sales figure and first model years of the Bolt). Tesla only shipped about 1700 model 3s. Tesla still sold more than twice the BEVs that GM did.

I am waiting anxiously for the day when all other vendors combined will sell 50% of the number of BEVs that Tesla does today; that will mean that EVs have finally 'arrived'.

 

[p7wang]

Another "coming soon" DCFC at Boron Rest Area West... between Mojave and Barstow.

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