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GM will treat you poorly or well based on your state's lemon laws. My state (WV) has terrible lemon laws thus GM offered me a swap that entailed paying off my balance (21,000) and charging me MSRP for a 2022 Bolt EUV. I either wait for a battery replacement or contact a lawyer at this point.
If GM's offer was based on the lemon law in your state, how would a lemon law lawyer obtain better compensation than what the lemon law requires?
 

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Some state LL are better than others. Everyone thinks that CA is the ultimate, but CA pays usage for mileage, and the difference in MSRP is one way: to the manufacturer if trading to a higher MSRP. I swapped for a car with ~$2500 less MSRP than mine. No compensation. I still got a 2-MY newer, better equipped (although I traded a premier for a premier) car that wasn’t for sale when I bought the ‘20.

I really don’t think it has any importance who got a better “deal” on a swap. What is important is taking the danger away from the people who can’t follow the recall battery safety guidelines, couldn’t park in underground parking or at work, or live in a forest where a spontaneous battery fire would destroy a whole town. That’s what’s important .
 

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Some state LL are better than others. Everyone thinks that CA is the ultimate, but CA pays usage for mileage, and the difference in MSRP is one way: to the manufacturer if trading to a higher MSRP. I swapped for a car with ~$2500 less MSRP than mine. No compensation. I still got a 2-MY newer, better equipped (although I traded a premier for a premier) car that wasn’t for sale when I bought the ‘20.

I really don’t think it has any importance who got a better “deal” on a swap. What is important is taking the danger away from the people who can’t follow the recall battery safety guidelines, couldn’t park in underground parking or at work, or live in a forest where a spontaneous battery fire would destroy a whole town. That’s what’s important .
I have so far not been able to find the specific details regarding how an MSRP swap works in Minnesota. Were you able to find that information independently for CA, or did you rely on GM to provide the details? For example the fact that you were not eligible for a refund of the MSRP difference between the two vehicles.

The only thing I've been able to figure out so far by reading the Lemon Law online, is that MN allows for a usage deduction. I'm waiting to hear back from the RVDC Case Referral Specialist, after I informed her by email of my intent to proceed with a trade repurchase. She specifically said a trade repurchase would involve ordering a 2023 Bolt. My initial contact with the dealer where I purchased our 2021, suggests they would be receptive.
 
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If GM's offer was based on the lemon law in your state, how would a lemon law lawyer obtain better compensation than what the lemon law requires?
Great point Perry Mason. Your point is exactly why you'd need that type of attorney. They specialize in getting the most you can get in your state. You already knew that though based on your excellent point. The question is, is it worth paying the attorney to represent you, etc. My guess is you just made the comment to get into some keyboard warrior stuff. I took the bait, you win.
 

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I have so far not been able to find the specific details regarding how an MSRP swap works in Minnesota. Were you able to find that information independently for CA, or did you rely on GM to provide the details? For example the fact that you were not eligible for a refund of the MSRP difference between the two vehicles.

The only thing I've been able to figure out so far by reading the Lemon Law online, is that MN allows for a usage deduction. I'm waiting to hear back from the RVDC Case Referral Specialist, after I informed her by email of my intent to proceed with a trade repurchase. She specifically said a trade repurchase would involve ordering a 2023 Bolt. My initial contact with the dealer where I purchased our 2021, suggests they would be receptive.
Sorry for the late reply, I have all notifications turned off.

I will take a look at MN LL and get back to you 😉
 

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Great point Perry Mason. Your point is exactly why you'd need that type of attorney. They specialize in getting the most you can get in your state. You already knew that though based on your excellent point. The question is, is it worth paying the attorney to represent you, etc. My guess is you just made the comment to get into some keyboard warrior stuff. I took the bait, you win.
There are actually valid responses to my question, depending on your state. For example, in some states, the manufacturer is required to pay for the legal fees of lemon law cases, so there's literally no cost for the owner. In some cases, the manufacturer might be willing to settle for more than what the lemon law requires, in order to avoid the cost of paying their own lawyers a lot of money to go to trial. (However, whether the owner sees that extra amount or just the owner's lawyer, depends on the situation.) In still other cases, the owner might be able to claim actual harm that wouldn't be covered by the lemon law, but might be covered under other laws.

Believe it or not, not every question you read is an attempt to start an Internet argument. Sometimes, they can start a discussion that can be helpful to other people who are reading the forum.
 

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Sorry for the late reply, I have all notifications turned off.

I will take a look at MN LL and get back to you 😉
@SpicyBolt:


Have no idea what is wrong with the link (?):



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The voluntary program by GM is the qualification, forget about all that rigamaroll. They will repurchase.

Here is the statue for the remedy options:

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(More blah-blah-blah below of no consequence In my view)

The usage is $.10/mile max 10% (better than CA)

“If the manufacturer offers a replacement vehicle under this section, the consumer has the option to reject the replacement vehicle and requiring the manufacturer to provide a refund.”

I interpret this as you are offered a replacement vehicle acceptable to you, or refund. Black or white, nothing I can find about differences in MSRP. I take that as you configure a car, or find one on a lot etc that is acceptable to you. Take it or a refund.

You will need to see what the GM “Offer Letter” offers you after you order the 2023, right?

If like mine in CA, only line for me was “Usage $671.” Sounded good to me, so “yes.”

Your mileage at first complaint times ten cents per, hand over keys, get new keys, leave singing praise for the fortunate conclusion to a headache 🥳
 

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@SpicyBolt:


Have no idea what is wrong with the link (?):



View attachment 45538

The voluntary program by GM is the qualification, forget about all that rigamaroll. They will repurchase.

Here is the statue for the remedy options:

View attachment 45539

(More blah-blah-blah below of no consequence In my view)

The usage is $.10/mile max 10% (better than CA)

“If the manufacturer offers a replacement vehicle under this section, the consumer has the option to reject the replacement vehicle and requiring the manufacturer to provide a refund.”

I interpret this as you are offered a replacement vehicle acceptable to you, or refund. Black or white, nothing I can find about differences in MSRP. I take that as you configure a car, or find one on a lot etc that is acceptable to you. Take it or a refund.

You will need to see what the GM “Offer Letter” offers you after you order the 2023, right?

If like mine in CA, only line for me was “Usage $671.” Sounded good to me, so “yes.”

Your mileage at first complaint times ten cents per, hand over keys, get new keys, leave singing praise for the fortunate conclusion to a headache 🥳
Thanks for doing the research (y)

Usage will be about $700.

I'm still waiting to hear back from the GSM after leaving him a message yesterday. I let him know an allocation for delivery as late as the end of November, would be fine. I think that will still be long before we become eligible for a new pack the way things are going.

If all I get is crickets, then next Monday we'll pay a visit to Mauer Chevrolet.
 
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I swapped my 2020 Bolt LT for a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier. I had to pay $280 for the upgrade difference in MSRP.
So how are you liking the EUV compared to your EV? I'm particularly interested in road feel and handling.... some saying the EUV "feels" more smooth but the EV more sporty in feel?
I'm asking because we're making the EV or EUV question for our swap... but not chance to road test a EUV.
 

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So how are you liking the EUV compared to your EV? I'm particularly interested in road feel and handling.... some saying the EUV "feels" more smooth but the EV more sporty in feel?
I'm asking because we're making the EV or EUV question for our swap... but not chance to road test a EUV.
The EUV does have a softer ride quality while the EV felt more like a sporty hot hatch. It's not a bad thing though. The EUV just feels more comfortable and grown up. Like when going over bumps or uneven road, the EUV is less bouncy but you do give up some handling. Taking the same on ramp to the freeway, the EV handles the turn better.

Overall, the EUV is much improved car for me. Interior is nicer and the extra space in the backseat is great for my baby seat. In the end, it's up to you what you want and need. A sporty hatchback or a roomier, more refined crossover like euv.
 
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