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Do you use Adaptive Cruise - worth the $2500 ???

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Looking at Bolt EVU Premier - seems like a nice toy, but do you really use it figuring most use as a short trip car.

The difference is $38,000+ or $36,000 for basically the same car.

Not sure if I can ask a 2nd question- looking at pre-buying a Bolt charging apps. Looks like rapid charge are hard to find. What adapter names do you use to search for charging?
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If your plan is to use Bolt for short to around town, then it's probably not worth the extra $2500.
Unless, of course, not having it impacts resale down the road. Who knows?
I specifically purchased EUV Premier over non-EUV Bolt fully loaded because it costs less with Adaptive Cruise. It's necessary for Comma.AI which I love for freeway highway driving. Comma AI is an advanced driver safety system that is like SuperCruise on steroids. Unlike Super Cruise, it also works on city streets, and they're working hard to get stoplight and stop sign recognition working.
What is the liability/insurance deal with using aftermarket ADAS?
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If it's like the ACC in my Honda Clarity PHEV, it will sort-of disengage if the vehicle stops for more than about three seconds. Slow traffic it's great. True stop-and-go? Not so much.
I also had a Clarity PHEV, I thought the ACC was lame. It was slow to respond to changes. My Mach-E does much better, and hopefully the Bolt will be the same.
What is the liability/insurance deal with using aftermarket ADAS?
Comma.ai is a micro company. I'm sure you're agreeing to waive a lot of your rights while using the system.
Super Cruise is backed by General Motors. GM has pretty big shoulders. As long as you're using the system correctly, you have a much better chance of making a claim against GM if it was found defective.
What is the liability/insurance deal with using aftermarket ADAS?
I'm unaware of any issues. It's an "ADAS", just like front pedestrian braking, lane keep assist with lane departure warning, automatic emergency braking and forward collision alert -- items Chevrolet markets as "Chevy Safety Assist".

We're all adults and can do our own research, but Comma AI very prominently markets its device as an alpha device, mandates some driver training to use the system, and includes legalese in fine print, just like any company would to protect its interests. I'm sure Chevy does with Supercruise, and I would find it more difficult for a driver to win against any company if he or she is negligent behind the wheel.

I find Comma AI to be very convenient and would buy Comma over Super Cruise any day because I don't want to pay for a subscription fee. It's also much more affordable and could be resold if you were motivated to get rid of it. The drawbacks: it's a bit more technical and is constantly evolving since it is open source. Software changes pretty rapidly, so your experience using the ADAS may change. In my experience since January, it has only gotten better.

Here are some other posts I found on insurance:
  • A supposed insurance agent shared the following on Reddit 4 yr. ago: "[All] OpenPilot would be seen as is a modification to your vehicle and claims should still be honored assuming you are in the driver's seat (which you should be anyway). It would be no different to you modifying the suspension system of a car. If you also want the equipment purchased for the use of OpenPilot, you will need to add that on as an endorsement to the policy. Please note that this also totally depends on your insurance company as they may have provisions in the policy contract excluding things such as this, so proceed with caution and be sure to ask your insurance agent/company."
  • Someone else shared 2 yr. ago: "Here's what my State Farm auto insurance agent in the Los Angeles area wrote when I inquired about coverage issues using OpenPilot in my 2017 Toyota Prius Prime: 'As I had shared with you during our call yesterday, at the present time, adding the OpenPilot system to your vehicle will not have an impact on the rate that State Farm charges for your insurance. Similarly, the use of driver assist technology will not impact coverage provided by your insurance as long as the driver of the vehicle adheres to all laws, codes, and requirements for operating a motor vehicle on public roads. Finally, driver assist technology is a newer technology that the insurance industry is following very closely. As the technology continues to develop, it is possible at some point in the future that State Farm and other insurance companies may choose to adjust pricing and coverage to account for the use of driver assist technology.'"
Either way, I don't wish to hijack this thread. I'd buy Adaptive Cruise Control any day because I drive on the freeway / highway 40 miles each way around once to twice weekly. It has improved my quality of life, lowers my stress and makes me feel safer in the car.

...Comma AI reduces my stress even further by letting me focus on correcting any errors in driving while it does accelerates, brakes and steers the car. It's much easier than driving on my own. (That said, I do love engaging fully with cars and also drive a 6-speed manual BMW M2 occasionally.)
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I also had a Clarity PHEV, I thought the ACC was lame. It was slow to respond to changes. My Mach-E does much better, and hopefully the Bolt will be the same.
ACC in the Bolt is not as good as the Mach-E.
...Comma AI reduces my stress even further by letting me focus on correcting any errors in driving...
Could you expand on that statement?
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