I would venture to guess initial pricing was an inducement to get customers familiar with and build loyalty. As they learned the real cost of delivering service, they had to adjust pricing. Charging /min pricing would be hard to bury a price increase, but switching, not as apparent. At least it is not as intrusive as what Ionity did in EU.So my last charge was 32 minutes and provided 27 kWh. Cost me $4.80, 18 cents per kWh.
Now that same charge would cost me $8.37. Fantastic, I think it might actually be cheaper to take the ICE on our next road trip now.
Interesting. $0.31/kWh is more or less in line with Tesla's SuperCharger ($0.28/kWh IIRC).
This is great news for folks paying per minute, especially the Hyundais that were previously being charged in the higher tier rate.However, the charging network is also updating its per-minute pricing with now just two power levels for electric cars chariging up to 90 kW ($0.16 per minute without subscription and $0.12 per minute with subscription) and EVs charging up to 350 kW ($0.32 per minute without subscription and $0.24 per minute with subscription)
Agreed, this whole reload policy is a nightmare.What I don't like is that the app won't let you turn off auto top-up. I'd like to use my $5 down to 0. Stop delivering power then. flo lets you go into the hole to at least a small amount. I haven't tested its limits. They get it back when you top-up to do another charge.
But I do prefer paying for the widget rather than the time connected getting the widget.
Simply, if there is no penalty for charging to 90% at a 20kW rate, because you are only paying for kWh used, then more drivers might be inclined to charge to higher SOC. With time based rates, you get less power for your money the longer you stay hooked up.I don't understand the arguments about people staying hooked up in the per kWh scheme.
Oh yeah, this is going to be a big surprise to some people I think. People who support this because of the slower charging in the winter are going to be surprised just how much power is going in to conditioning that they will never see but will be paying for.Second, owners of EVs with active thermal management and cabin conditioning designed to draw excess power from the chargers actually save money when conditioning their vehicles before ending the session.
Well, if we just call the Bolt highway average to be 3.1 mpk then it costs 10 cents per mile. National gas average is about $2.00 a gallon so you would have to be driving something that gets less than 20 mpg to equal the same price. And for anybody about to argue that they get better mileage in their Bolt, don't forget the extra kWh's you're paying for to condition the battery as it charges.I haven't done the the calculations but it is still probably cheaper than a 25mpg ICE vehicle.
Shutting the charger off completely after a predetermined time is unnecessarily punitive, in my opinion. Sometimes you simply need the range. Sometimes it makes sense for the stop to go long (adding $3.00 to $4.50 to the cost of a one-hour, sit-down meal isn't a big deal, but being shut off halfway through is). We saw this with EVgo when the Bolt EV was first released. All the small-battery EV owners were saying, "What's the big deal with a 30-minute shutoff? Your car should be at 80% battery already." It turns out, that doesn't work when a majority of the chargers are 40 kW to 50 kW and the EV can travel over 200 miles on a charge.I know (or knew...haven't been there in a while...and when I was there last I didn't spend an hour) of one charger in my sphere that simply shuts off at 1 hour. Yes, someone could still stay connected.
What is the social-norm etiquette for the next guy for a charger when it's done and off and the car is still connected, by the way?
EA (or EC here) also have a penalty for over-staying your welcome. But the rich folks won't care about spending a few extra dollars for their self-perceived entitlement.
For me it's the principle of buying a product. Time is not a product. You're just paying rent then. Like parking. Time is a problem for our taper-down pattern of charging.
The $0.40 per minute idle fee is after the session has ended. If your car is still pulling 1 kW, the session is active, so no idle fee is being assessed.The problem with EA is not charging by the kWh, it is the high price of that kWh. They are just replacing a bad policy of charging by time to charging by energy unit at an exorbitant price. They are also charging .40 a minute squatting time after a ten minute grace period so I don't understand the arguments about people staying hooked up in the per kWh scheme. I haven't done the the calculations but it is still probably cheaper than a 25mpg ICE vehicle.
|EA Pricing Comparison: New Pricing announced 9/16/2020|
|Notes||Cost||L3 Dur hh:mm||L3 kWh Added||Effective $/kWh||Billed rate Per Min||New kWh rate Sep 2020||Total $ for Charge old rates||Total $ for Charge new rates|
|IL||Mt Vernon IL||EA||100507-03 (1)||Walmart 224||$6.04||0:33||23.00||$0.26||$0.18||$0.31||$6.04||$7.13|
|IL||Bloomington IL||EA||100200-03 (1)||Walmart 3459||$11.00||1:01||45.00||$0.24||$0.18||$0.31||$11.00||$13.95|
|IN||Indianapolis IN||EA||100222-05 (1)||Walmart 5443||$5.75||0:35||21.00||$0.27||$0.16||$0.12||$5.75||$2.52|
|KY||Paducah KY||EA||100206-02 (2)||Walmart 491||$6.12||0:38||26.00||$0.24||$0.16||$0.12||$6.12||$3.12|
|MO||Booneville MO||EA||100189-04 (2)||Walmart 820||$10.75||1:11||47.00||$0.23||$0.15||$0.31||$10.75||$14.57|
|MO||St Charles MO||EA||100190-01 (1)||Walmart 1161||$6.55||0:43||27.00||$0.24||$0.15||$0.31||$6.55||$8.37|
|TN||Clarksville TN||EA||100607-02 (1)||Walmart 673||$11.42||1:09||28.00||$0.41||$0.17||$0.12||$11.42||$3.36|
|TN||Cookeville TN||EA||100220-02 (1)||Sam's Club 4930||$7.78||0:47||33.00||$0.24||$0.17||$0.12||$7.78||$3.96|
|VA||Bristol VA||EA||100633-01 (2)||Sam's Club 6518||$8.97||0:59||45.00||$0.20||$0.15||$0.12||$8.97||$5.40|
|VA||Wytheville VA||EA||100257-03 (1)||Sheetz 407||$4.37||0:26||12.00||$0.36||$0.17||$0.12||$4.37||$1.44|
In California it's still less than a 40 mpg ICE.For comparison with ICE, it really depends where you are. The Bolt EV would still be cheaper in California than a most ICE (maybe comparable to a Prius), but outside California, it might be on par with a ~30 mpg ICE.
I think you did the math wrong for states without kWh rates and calculated the 12 cent per-minute rate as 12 cents per kWh. For instance, in KY your 38 minute charge would be $4.56, not $3.12.ran the numbers for my recent big trip
And this is why I really hope they work on getting regional rates back out. Gas here is hovering around the $1.80 mark, taking a Silverado on a trip would cost as much as a Bolt at those gas prices. Yeah, leaving the house with a full battery and destination charging will cause it to actually cost far less, but this is still a massive and sudden price jump.$3.23/gallon (average for regular)
Thank you, I was distracted at work throwing this together quick, so I will double check the spreadsheet and report back later tonight or tomorrow.I think you did the math wrong for states without kWh rates and calculated the 12 cent per-minute rate as 12 cents per kWh. For instance, in KY your 38 minute charge would be $4.56, not $3.12.
You're right, KY is still one of the per minute states not per kWh. I will adjust the sheet and repost. Thanks again.Thank you, I was distracted at work throwing this together quick, so I will double check the spreadsheet and report back later tonight or tomorrow.