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It's an EV driver's nightmare. We were stuck in the middle of nowhere with an Electrify America charging station that wouldn't charge our car.


It could have been worse. It was only 100 °F (38 °C) and not 120 °F (49 °C). The wind was only blowing at 15-20 mph (7-9 m/s) and not 20-40 mph (9-18 m/s). And I only got hit with one swirling dust devil while holding a cell phone in one hand and a thick charging cable in the other, peering over my polarized sunglasses to read the tiny screen on the phone.


Yes, we were fortunate. Others haven't been so lucky at EA stations and had to be towed. For us, the nearest tow truck was 30 miles (50 km) away. Home was another 116 miles (200 km).


Nor were not exactly in the middle of nowhere. But we could see it. (We were at a Chevron station and in a short walk there was a CalTrans highway rest stop--and that's it for a long, long ways.)


We also had cell phone service. That's not always the case in parts of California where we like to drive our EV.


And we eventually got the charge we needed. Eventually.




How? Miraculously, EA's infamous credit card readers were up and functioning. (The little green light was lit.) In desperation I finally asked the friendly EA assistant if I couldn't just try the credit card reader. She said, yes, it's showing that it's working, so try it. I again plugged the cable into the car, inserted my chip card in the reader, and then watched the screen go through its "initiating" motions. The cable locked to the car and after fumbling with frustrating screens asking if I want a receipt (No, I just want a charge), the station began to hum and start charging our Bolt--at a whopping 30 kW.


Again, we were happy that it was charging at 30 kW and not the 55 kW it should have been charging at. Yes, it was hot. We were tired. I was grumpy--to be polite. But it was charging and we were thankful for that.


So we jumped in, cranked up the A/C and sat back for a nice long charge.


We still don't know what went wrong. And neither does EA.


Our Covid-19 escape was pushing the limits of what we can do in one day. We knew that. We knew that EA's Coso Junction station had been operational less than two weeks. And we knew there was no backup if the station didn't work.


But we were game. I do my homework like a good boy. We've charged at EA stations before, not often, but more than once that's for sure. So I know how they're supposed to work. I monitored the few check-ins that had been registered on PlugShare and all seemed like a go.


And it was--initially. We drove from Bakersfield to Coso Junction, pulled in at 9:00 am to kiosk #1, and plugged in the cable. I loaded EA's app on my phone, swiped as instructed, held the cable until it locked, and heard the reassuring hum of the station charging the car. Amen. It worked, and like clockwork at that. We got our charge and drove off to Horseshoe Meadow in the High Sierra.


After enjoying a refreshing hike in the meadow at 10,000 feet (3,000 meters), we packed up for the long drive home. An hour later we pulled into Coso Junction again and that's when the fun started.


At 2:30 pm we pulled into the same kiosk that had worked well in the morning. It seemed to work at first. Then it stopped. I thought maybe I'd fumbled with the phone--clumsy fingers in the bright sun.


So I started again. No go. EA's app was telling me my "payment [was] declined." Ok, be that way I thought. We pulled over to dispenser #2, but EA's app produced the same message as before. Hmmm. Not a good sign.


I ducked into the car to get out of the wind and sun, pulled out my credit card and opened the account information on the app. It all looked good, but to be sure, I reentered all the information again. Then I saved it. Should work now, I thought.


Nope. After climbing out of the car, plugging in the cable, and swiping the app, EA was still declining payment. Oh, oh.


Now we were in a pickle and it was time to bring in the big guns by calling EA customer support.


EA's customer support is widely regarded as courteous and friendly. And they were. However, they could not clear up my account. They took a long time to even find a record of me in their system. And they never initiated a charge.


I don't know how long we would have been there if I hadn't noticed the green light on the credit card reader. EA never suggested trying the credit card reader until I asked them. We spent our time together trying to find out why the app wouldn't let me charge.


Obviously, my card was good or we'd still be in Coso Junction. The next day EA's $50 hold on my card appeared on my bank statement. The processing of the charge went through as normal for EA. And later payment for the charge cleared.


Here's the record of our first charge and of the aborted second charge later in the day. During the first session, we charged from 40% to 75% as planned. However, the second session doesn't look right. We definitely did not arrive with a 0% charge. We arrived with a 26% charge, shown as the end charge on the receipt. This is odd.


Later I received a receipt for this dropped session. I charged for one minute at 53 kW, gaining 0.8 kWh at a cost of $1.26.




Our helpful EA agent said that we had a negative amount in our "auto fill" account. Ok, then it should auto fill I thought. By this time I'd already entered all my credit card info and "saved" it as instructed by the app. If the problem was due to the expiration date, entering the information into the app while I was sitting at Coso Junction should have cleared it up. It didn't.


The next day I found that my inbox was showing a robo email from EA noting that I'd changed my "default" account information successfully. Good. That's what I was trying to do when EA's app kept displaying the message "payment declined" while I was sitting in a hot car in the middle of the desert the day before. So it was somewhat reassuring to know that I had done something when images of tow trucks were dancing in my head.



No Desktop Access to Account Info

EA's email message said to learn more by logging on to my account "online" or through the app. I followed the link in the message to EA's web site as instructed. Hmmm. I searched, and I searched. I couldn't find the tab, the link, the button, or anything that would take me to "account information."


I opened the app, tapped the account icon, and then tapped "billing details." There was my account information. It looked good to me. It showed that I had a negative balance of $0.78 from the day before. And below that was a message that it would auto-fill. Again, it looked good to me.


I called EA to confirm my observations. Yes, they said, there's no account information on the web site even though the email says to look there. Yes, the account information is only on the app.


One may wonder why EA's robo email provides a link to go online from a desktop computer when there's no account information there. Good question. If you meet an exec from EA or Volkswagen, its parent, please ask them.


While playing with the app later, I changed the vehicle information (I changed the model year of our Bolt). Again, an email popped up advising me that I'd changed the vehicle information and to check my account by going on line with web link. So the robo email with the misdirection wasn't one off.



EA Needs to Step Up its Game

We've been driving electric for six years and have never been stranded at a charge station. The use of RFID cards at EA's competitors ChargePoint and EVgo haven't let us down. We've never had to use a credit card until Coso Junction.


Our problem may not have been due to EA's app, it could be EA's accounting system. EVgo, in its previous iteration, had had issues with its payment accounting too, but I haven't seen any complaints lately.


As you may have guessed, my account information is easily accessible online at both ChargePoint and EVgo. I logged on from my desktop--not an app--just to confirm this.


I also confirmed that my EA app is working properly. I took the time out of my day to drive across town to plug in at an EA station. No problems. The app worked like it's supposed to.


EA's Coso Junction station has been a long time coming. For that all non-Tesla drivers are thankful. The station opens up the East Side of the Sierra Nevada, a major recreation corridor for Southern Californians, for non-Tesla EVs.


The station teased us drivers like a mirage in the desert. It was installed more than a year before it became operational. We longed for that station to open. It just sat there, gathering dust. We rejoiced when EA finally announced Coso Junction was live. It was a dream come true for many of us in this part of the world.


If it works--right.


EA's network may not be ready for prime time. They need to get these reliability issues fixed--and quickly. VW will be churning out ID4s in 2022 from their Chattanooga plant and the parent company won't be happy if they find VW customers stranded at a company-owned station. Early in EA's roll out of stations on the East Side, an Audi E-tron was stranded at an EA station in Bridgeport. They had to be towed. People who pay the kind of money you pay for an Audi don't take kindly to excuses.


Nissan drivers are already advised not to rely on charging at EA stations because of EA's preference for a competing charging standard to that used by the Leaf. (See Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard.)


Certainly, I'll think twice about using an EA station--when I have a choice.


EA's Coso Junction station is, unfortunately, all there is in that part of California. ChargePoint and EVgo are missing in action on the East Side.


EV Connect's one kiosk station in Inyokern 30 miles (50 km) south from Coso Junction is behind schedule. No one knows when it will go live.


And CalTrans station under construction at its Coso Junction rest stop is way behind schedule too. CalTrans has never made the charge stations in its 30-30 program a priority--and it tells.


In the meantime, all we non-Tesla drivers can do is plead politely for EA to get its act together--and soon.
 

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In the fall of 2019, I went on a road trip with my new Bolt. During that time I used 4–5 EA stations on each leg. I’d say 4-5 didn’t work with the application, instead I was forced to use credit cards. If I had known at the time that the network was new, and had reliability issues, I probably would have used an ICE. Today, I would even be able to use the shortest route, because the EA site at weedsport is not functional. I believe they are replacing all the units with new ones. ( I could only get one to work every time I’ve been there, and it wasn’t always the same one).
 

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I saw your check in on PlugShare; I'm glad the Nayax reader was working.

This is one area where EA definitely needs to improve. If I could give them one piece of feedback, it's this: Get the charging started first THEN troubleshoot the issue. If someone calls in and says they can't get a charger working, verify their account and then activate a free charge immediately. If it's a Bolt EV owner and the remotely activated charge still doesn't work, walk them through lifting the cable. If it still doesn't, reboot the charger and try to initiate a free session again. People would be a lot more tolerant of issues if their car started charging no matter what in the first 5 minutes, and most would spend the next 5 to 10 minutes helping to troubleshoot what might have gone wrong.

In this case, I wonder if this has something to do with EA's free PASS+ for the last few months due to the pandemic. Apparently, they haven't been charging the $4 per month fee for the last four or five months, and they are about to reactivate it in September. The email notice went out four days ago (just a day after your issue), so I think they definitely have some shift going on in their accounting office.

But to your other point, I still think it's difficult to be too hard on EA. The fact that they are the only public charging provider currently covering Highway 395 from Victorville to Gardnerville makes it a bit hard to be critical. We didn't pay for the chargers (and what we pay for electricity doesn't come close to offsetting the cost to dispense it), so even our expectations for the level of service we expect to receive should be a bit limited. All the other DC fast chargers along that route have been delayed numerous times, so for now, they really are the only game in town.

Still, if EA is going to be in the public charging game, they need to start resolving some of these issues. They also need to remove references to Apple Pay, Discover Card, and Google Pay from their Nayax readers if they don't accept those forms of payment. As you said, they should also be offering RFID cards to anyone who is a PASS+ member. And again, if they are having connection issues, they need to simply default to an active, live charger.
 

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In the fall of 2019, I went on a road trip with my new Bolt. During that time I used 4–5 EA stations on each leg. I’d say 4-5 didn’t work with the application, instead I was forced to use credit cards. If I had known at the time that the network was new, and had reliability issues, I probably would have used an ICE. Today, I would even be able to use the shortest route, because the EA site at weedsport is not functional. I believe they are replacing all the units with new ones. ( I could only get one to work every time I’ve been there, and it wasn’t always the same one).
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Thank You for the lengthy and detailed write up of your experience. It is something all new EV drivers need to be aware of, just in case they get caught in the same situation; be prepared for the potentialities. We're not there yet with 100% reliable EV chargers (and backup options at some locations if EA fails us; i.e. redundancy).
I deal with this in south Georgia where there is a long gap between DCFC and I rely on EA to get to my destination through Cordelle and Valdosta (So I monitor plugshare and the EA app constantly just before my trips to see how many plugs are working; such a headache). Luckily there are L2 emergency options along my route, but that isnt ideal when traveling with my family. Be prepared. Understand what can happen. Thank you for the almost worst case scenario write up. Glad you eventually got home safely and without a tow.
 

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Is there any cell phone service out there? It looks remote.

One of the problems with app activation might be poor cell coverage. But if CC readers work, they must have some kind of network connection, maybe even landline?
 

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Is there any cell phone service out there? It looks remote.

One of the problems with app activation might be poor cell coverage. But if CC readers work, they must have some kind of network connection, maybe even landline?
Even on I-5, I've had poor enough cell phone service that I've actually had to turn on the car and use its hotspot in order to connect with the app.
 

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I feel your pain, Brother. My trip to Oregon this summer wasn't nearly as awful, but we got lucky, and only drove 140 mile legs for reasons just like this. I've said it before. It's not range anxiety. It's "will the chargers work" anxiety. Keep screaming, they'll fix it eventually, I'm confident of that much. Maybe EVGO should put their stations across the parking lots from EA 😂🤣😭
 

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Even on I-5, I've had poor enough cell phone service that I've actually had to turn on the car and use its hotspot in order to connect with the app.
They obviously have some kind of data connection, maybe they could add a hotspot for customer connections. Even at dialup speeds, the app authorization isn’t data intense.
 
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Is there any cell phone service out there? It looks remote.

One of the problems with app activation might be poor cell coverage. But if CC readers work, they must have some kind of network connection, maybe even landline?
Yes, I had cell phone service. That route doesn't always have cell phone service but I think there was a tower nearby--as it's the only place with anything nearby. ;)

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I saw your check in on PlugShare; I'm glad the Nayax reader was working.

This is one area where EA definitely needs to improve. If I could give them one piece of feedback, it's this: Get the charging started first THEN troubleshoot the issue. If someone calls in and says they can't get a charger working, verify their account and then activate a free charge immediately. If it's a Bolt EV owner and the remotely activated charge still doesn't work, walk them through lifting the cable. If it still doesn't, reboot the charger and try to initiate a free session again. People would be a lot more tolerant of issues if their car started charging no matter what in the first 5 minutes, and most would spend the next 5 to 10 minutes helping to troubleshoot what might have gone wrong.

In this case, I wonder if this has something to do with EA's free PASS+ for the last few months due to the pandemic. Apparently, they haven't been charging the $4 per month fee for the last four or five months, and they are about to reactivate it in September. The email notice went out four days ago (just a day after your issue), so I think they definitely have some shift going on in their accounting office.
Eric,

Yeah, I wondered about this too. I follow the boards and the check ins and EA has been good about initiating the charge. They just didn't do it. Instead we spent all our time trying to find my account, what happened to the account, and so on. My cell phone reveals my name so they certainly shouldn't have too many Paul Gipe's in their system trying to charge a Bolt. Even then I had to spell out my email address, which is hard to do with wind in the microphone. It was like a comedy routine. I would shout, they would reply, and I would shout some more.

In retrospect I think it was something to do with "auto fill". They could have just started my charge and billed me for it. It's not like I don't use services that are billed after the fact. It was just weird that they couldn't find my account. That doesn't bode well.

Without EA we can't get out there. So, we're glad they're there--and it did work right on the outbound leg. ;)

When's your next trip up 395? You can give them a review--or did you already do one on that site?

Will be 105 there on Sunday.

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Eric,

Yeah, I wondered about this too. I follow the boards and the check ins and EA has been good about initiating the charge. They just didn't do it. Instead we spent all our time trying to find my account, what happened to the account, and so on. My cell phone reveals my name so they certainly shouldn't have too many Paul Gipe's in their system trying to charge a Bolt. Even then I had to spell out my email address, which is hard to do with wind in the microphone. It was like a comedy routine. I would shout, they would reply, and I would shout some more.

In retrospect I think it was something to do with "auto fill". They could have just started my charge and billed me for it. It's not like I don't use services that are billed after the fact. It was just weird that they couldn't find my account. That doesn't bode well.

Without EA we can't get out there. So, we're glad they're there--and it did work right on the outbound leg. ;)

When's your next trip up 395? You can give them a review--or did you already do one on that site?

Will be 105 there on Sunday.

Paul
Hopefully it was just an auto fill issue that's been resolved.

I'm not sure when my next Highway 395 trip is. I have one in October definitely, but I won't be taking my Bolt EV for that one. That would be Highway 395 north of Reno, though, so not much to report about for infrastructure, anyway.
 

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This is one reason I always carry my portable L2 EVSE with multiple adapters with me on a trip. Usually there is something within 30 miles with a NEMA 14-50 or other plug that can be used. Charging that way is painful on a trip, but likely not as painful as a tow. Anyway, these will be the stories we share when we talk about the early days of EV travel.
 

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This is one reason I always carry my portable L2 EVSE with multiple adapters with me on a trip. Usually there is something within 30 miles with a NEMA 14-50 or other plug that can be used. Charging that way is painful on a trip, but likely not as painful as a tow. Anyway, these will be the stories we share when we talk about the early days of EV travel.
Yes, for this trip I carried my Jesla 40-amp L2. There might have been a NEMA 14-50 at the gas station but I doubt it. ;)

There's a NEMA 14-50 in Lone Pine at the Boulder Creek RV park but there's been no check ins from there for years.

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I suspect this is unrelated to Paul's issue but yesterday coming back from Independence, I had planned to stop at Coso Junction. I checked PlugShare first though and an EA rep had commented that the location was 'temporarily unavailable' due to 'an issue'. Even though their app showed the stations as being available, I didn't want to chance it, so I went via 395 north instead (Bishop, etc.). When I checked PlugShare later in the afternoon, they reported the site being back in service.
 

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Thanks for sharing this post about the unreliability of getting EA chargers started. My problem seems to be with my phone not getting a good enough data signal to login to the app and begin the charge session (sometimes the app just hangs for 5+ mins). I sometimes wonder if being close to electrical transformers interferes with cell signal which is why I always seem to have problems, whether in an urban or rural area.

In any event, I think I will again petetion EA to use prox cards, because I don't see why if Chargepoint and EVgo can activate this way, EA somehow can't? On many EA sites, I sometimes spend upwards of 15 minutes getting the charger activated (Bridgeport, CA was a nightmare).
 

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Some phones have NFC and EA does allow a connection through that. My phone doesn't have NFC so I can't test it, but I am sure I saw that EA mentions using that in lieu of RFID cards.

As noted above I was able to use my credit card.

Since then l have used EA successfully with the app.

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