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I'm not sure this is the appropriate topic for this forum or even the Bolt as it is more universally suited to EV's in general, but I'll let the mods decide if it should stay.

I've owned my Bolt for about three weeks now, and I really am enjoying it however, it is a complete paradigm shift from my ICE (Chrysler 300 SRT) and I have much to learn. I have never owned an EV, PHEV, or any other alternative fuel vehicle, but love technology and dove in as the timing was right for me. Within these few weeks of ownership I've noticed something in my years of driving that I wasn't expecting - and not really prepared for. EV dislike, discrimination, and even approaching hostility in some cases. Maybe I've been a bit naive, but I never expected some of the reactions and/or actions of others regarding a car! Really? These "incidents" have happened on the road as well as in discussion with others and typically seem to have a root cause in either; fear of change, or typecast as an "eco terrorist" and I don't belong on "their" road (at least this is all I have gleaned).

EV's are a curious minority where I live, and it is an spectacle if you see one. I'm always looking for that Tesla or Leaf etc... and sometimes I'll see one on the hwy, but they are few and far between. Anyway, I can list specific examples but my thought is that If I have already had more than several of these experiences in three weeks, then I am probably not even close to alone. I don't feel victimized nor do I want to be some sort of SJW for Ev's, but I am curious...

Have you experienced hate for driving/discussing your Bolt EV?
 

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I mentioned Bolt and EV's in general to a neighbor. We've been friends for 40 years. Her reaction: She was dead serious:

No!!! Don't do it!!! Everyone's getting electrocuted in them!!!!

She works for the radio network that broadcasts four hours of Limbaugh daily.


And I recently posted the following in another thread here:
There are some interesting comments over on Reddit based on reading this Motor Trend 3-car review.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comm..._ev_vs_nissan/

I was amused that someone in Texas said the local ******** with dually pickups won't roll coal - "drop a small Chinese factory" - on a Bolt like they do to a Tesla or Prius - because they don't recognize it's an EV. :eek:
Where are you located?
 

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On a more serious note - see this post over on another board where I made inquiries about the Bolt and got surprisingly hostile replies.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-chev-bolt-seems-post4771111.html#post4771111

That was after I posted this link describing Volvo's plans:
and farther down the page got this response:
Oh, we understand, be careful though, you'll end up in a dumpster someday.
That thread (I initiated it) ran to 890 replies before the moderators decided it was too controversial for their preferred demographic (mostly hobby farmers with disposable income, majority retired), and locked the thread.

It would take hours to read that whole thread but in addition to revealing a couple of loons, there were specialists in electrical generation and transmission, and numerous EV owners and other interested parties, who certainly broadened most readers' understanding of the EV revolution.
 

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My Volt never got negative remarks and most people thought it was really neat, especially if I took them for a ride in it. And my town/county is very conservative and Republican, as I am. Negative remarks/gestures about my driving? Well I never claimed to be a great driver.

Now I will say that on my test drive in the Bolt I got honked at by a car behind me. I had the thing in Sport and Low and the deceleration is very dramatic when the foot comes off the pedal. Folks are used to seeing brake lights on a quickly decelerating vehicle and I guess the Bolt's don't at less than 0.2 g. And the road was slick in spots due to ice and snow.

Was I angry at the honker because he was technically tailgating me? No. Rather, I learned a lesson - for safety reasons stay in D and use the brake pedal as normal. Save L for when it's really needed. And use the turn signals.

Be assured I won't be holding up the fast lane, one big reason I bought the Bolt is this thing is fast. And, since a chunk of the local grid is wind power and the rest is natgas, it's guilt free waste.
 

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HAHA. I know exactly what you mean. I am interested in the Bolt for the technology and am considering buying a used one when the lease turn in cars flood the market. Hopefully then they will be much cheaper.

In conversation with others, they were mostly negative. Most of the men said things like "You will need to turn in your man card if you get one" or "I didn't know you were a homosexual"......

I googled the topic and found an article on this exact subject but I can not post links. My account is too new.

Apparently, this thinking is growing out there. Who knew?
 

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When I think about this topic more, at least here in California where the daily commutes can be tedious, long, frustrating and crammed, one of the great benefits of an EV is the use of the HOV lane, where I pass by at 65 mph while all other lanes are at a standstill. The CHP motorcycle officer makes a morning appearance to cite maybe 2 to 5 vehicles who tempted fate by using the HOV lane, and they each have to pay a $461 fine or so.

The whole idea of creating a privileged commute for one type of vehicle over another is social engineering, to get people to behave in a preferred way, and to punish those who behave in ways the political class doesn't want them to behave. This certainly builds resentment, especially considering the subsidies which the political class confers upon the privileged which the crammed lanes have to pay for.

Historically, the HOV lane grew from the need to get commuters to share their cars for multiple occupancy and the past history of horrific smog from old, unclean ICE technology, and this was before the man-made global warming scam came about.
 

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I read a bit of that tractor thread, and frankly I thought it was just a couple good ol boys trolling the thread.

Happens. Esp on fora. If the 'trollers' in question are good standing members...what's a mod to do?

I've been driving BEVs in suburban Philly for almost 4 years, and never got any verbal attitude from anyone. And personally, I am in a liberal-geek-engineer bubble, and never got any response worse than bored.

I do have a clear '100% electric' label on my EVs (previously a LEAF, now a Bolt), b/c I think just seeing them in the wild is key to getting people to consider the tech going forward. But I have shied away from anything more in people's faces or political.
 

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I live in Tea Party country. Back under Bush 2, the right was still OK with EVs. Once Obama was prez, EVs became Obama-mobiles. A few on the far right are still EV supporters because of the middle-east oil/terrorist connection. But for the most part, GM's EVs are vilified as welfare for corporations. Had a guy get very emotional when I showed him our Bolt. He said he would never buy another GM product, because it was now "Government Motors"..."bailed out several times!" Like many, he "knows" this because he heard/saw it on right wing media. I commonly hear that my EV is "coal-powered!" My response is that, right here, it is actually 30% coal powered, 38% natural gas powered, 18% nuke powered, .9% PV powered, and .6% diesel powered, and the rest biomass, etc.
 

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I’ve not experienced a single instance of EV hate around town. Quite the contrary.

EXCEPT: In my Bolt EV w/green plate heading by myself south in the HOV lane on hwy.404 from north of 407 down to around Finch. Between 4:30pm and 6:00pm.

As you’re passing (at 80 kph/50 mph, having slowed from 115 for safety) 4 lanes of stopped/stop-start ICE vehicles going nowhere. Invariably a single occupant ICE vehicle typically a euro-zoot (Audi, Mercedes, Beemer, etc) gets cheezed off at you, pulls illegally across the hatched painted markers into the HOV lane and accelerates to sit 6-inches or so off your rear bumper. Sometimes flashing his/her led euro-zoot headlamps into you. Of course you’ve got nowhere to go because you’re stuck in the left HOV lane. It’s not pleasant at all. I’ve been too rattled to get a license plate number, but next time it happens I’ll go out of my way to do so. I’ll try to report it as road-raging, illegal behaviour.
 

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When I think about this topic more, at least here in California where the daily commutes can be tedious, long, frustrating and crammed, one of the great benefits of an EV is the use of the HOV lane, where I pass by at 65 mph while all other lanes are at a standstill. The CHP motorcycle officer makes a morning appearance to cite maybe 2 to 5 vehicles who tempted fate by using the HOV lane, and they each have to pay a $461 fine or so.

The whole idea of creating a privileged commute for one type of vehicle over another is social engineering, to get people to behave in a preferred way, and to punish those who behave in ways the political class doesn't want them to behave. This certainly builds resentment, especially considering the subsidies which the political class confers upon the privileged which the crammed lanes have to pay for.

Historically, the HOV lane grew from the need to get commuters to share their cars for multiple occupancy and the past history of horrific smog from old, unclean ICE technology, and this was before the man-made global warming scam came about.
You're not serious are you? Cherry picking from the 1% of scientific papers that ignore/conflict objective observation/truths to support your religious, cultural, political or economic philosophy discredits your contributions.

To the OP, I have had one run in with a belligerent couple, ICEing a charging station but I find the most effective route to enlightening the less informed is to respond to those truly interested to learn/understand in a polite non-judgmental tone with facts. Not just the positives but also the few negatives. It's quite disarming when someone that may lean towards the Trump agenda starts the conversation about how it's not fair that their tax dollars go towards the EV tax credit when in fact none of their tax dollars end up in my pocket since it's a credit, not a rebate. Then follow it up with the Gas/Oil subsidies ($50b+/year) of the past 100 years which my tax dollars do support. Arm yourself with as much information based on facts as you can and you'll find that you will quickly become the go to guy for any questions regarding EV's. I'm my circle of family and friends, I've already seen the wall crumble with some and those that will never change their minds even when confronted with the facts, know to not even bring up the subject anymore.
 

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Historically, the HOV lane grew from the need to get commuters to share their cars for multiple occupancy and the past history of horrific smog from old, unclean ICE technology, and this was before the man-made global warming scam came about.
Do you not understand that you're essentially taking the side of crackpots here? If you take a survey of peer-reviewed papers in respectable scientific journals, you'll find barely a dozen published research papers that take your side in the last decade. And there are literally tens of thousands of papers that prove you wrong. If you survey all the scientists who have any climate-related publications in those same science journals, you'll find less than 1% side with you, 97% agree with the overwhelming majority of papers and a slim 2% are somehow holding out for more research. Among actual scientists, the idea that man made global warming is a scam is less popular than the idea that we've been visited by space aliens.
 

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In this modern age of media manipulation and rampant corruption of academia, politics, business and journalism, I am more interested in truth than in what is popular. Sorry if being an EV owner who doesn't believe in the hubristic orthodoxy of MMGW discomforts anyone's lazy pigeon-holing mind.
I have no idea how an educated person doesn't believe we are doing harm to this planet??? Each step in human impact has been disregarded until we saw the impacts. Chemical dumping into the huge great lakes, plastic accumulation in the oceans, and I can't believe people are not open to the idea that we are impacting the tiny atmosphere that allows us to exist. We find more plastic material than living organisms in the middle of the ocean. The oceans on this planet are huge and people must have been skeptical that we could EVER do that.

It doesn't do the planet a service by having non-scientists like Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio leading the efforts. I would rather get the information directly from the scientists and not from an entertaining speaker.

If you don't believe in global warming, that is fine. The good thing about beliefs is they have no scientific merit and show that you are making a decision that is completely irrational. If you want truth, that is also not how science works. Science is about predicting future events by past events. Scientists don't know exactly what will happen to this planet, but the way we are going it will not be good. Each country has different politics, different cultures, different languages, etc... However, every country has scientific data that agrees that we are affecting the climate of the planet. The US has made global warming a religious and political argument. Read a scientific paper from China, Russia, Japan, any European country and you will see that their data all supports this theory that you don't believe in. BTW, yes, I said theory. However, theories that have scientific backing are the closest thing to the truth that exists.
 

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Invariably a single occupant ICE vehicle typically a euro-zoot (Audi, Mercedes, Beemer, etc) gets cheezed off at you, pulls illegally across the hatched painted markers into the HOV lane and accelerates to sit 6-inches or so off your rear bumper. Sometimes flashing his/her led euro-zoot headlamps into you.
Use the brakes. Hard! Or if you don't feel that aggressive, use the windshield wipers to spray his car.
 

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It would take hours to read that whole thread but in addition to revealing a couple of loons, there were specialists in electrical generation and transmission, and numerous EV owners and other interested parties, who certainly broadened most readers' understanding of the EV revolution.
And this is how it needs to go. Person to person getting the truth out there. There are a lot of people that have serious distrust of EV owners because they think we are all a bunch of communists that are plotting to force everyone to either buy an electric car and junk their current car, or junk their current car and ride a bicycle by law. There are some EVangelists out there do dream of these things, but I think the vast majority of EV enthusiasts are pretty ordinary folks who like all the advantages of driving electric.

If we ever hope to make BEVs "normal" all through out the land, we need to refrain from lecturing people. Telling people that they are ruining the planet wasting precious resources by driving whatever they own is not helpful. IMO, whenever discussing BEVs with non believers the subject of the environment and the word "sustainable" shouldn't even come up. Talk about all awesome advantages we enjoy, like major fuel savings, silent driving, excellent acceleration and torque and bets of all, almost no maintenance.
 
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