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I plan on purchasing a 2019 Bolt Premier this Spring. As I bounce between Cape Cod and the Tucson part of AZ, at the moment I'm in the warmer place! The tax credit will be halved by the time I get back to the Cape (end of April), so, in order to take advantage of the tax credit, I was going to contact a dealer in my part of Cape Cod (actually, one in Rhode Island, Masse Chevrolet), and work out the deal while I'm still out in AZ.


However, I've been thinking (risky, I know). Would this Fed Tax Credit even do us any good if we use the standard deduction (which is what we use)?


If the answer is, "No" (the tax credit will do us no good if we use the standard deduction), then I'd rather wait till I'm back in MA to work out and finalize the transaction. If it's a "Yes" (the tax credit is calculated over and above the standard deduction) then I'll have to go through the machinations of doing the deal long distance.


Thanks for your input!


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I plan on purchasing a 2019 Bolt Premier this Spring. As I bounce between Cape Cod and the Tucson part of AZ, at the moment I'm in the warmer place! The tax credit will be halved by the time I get back to the Cape (end of April), so, in order to take advantage of the tax credit, I was going to contact a dealer in my part of Cape Cod (actually, one in Rhode Island, Masse Chevrolet), and work out the deal while I'm still out in AZ.


However, I've been thinking (risky, I know). Would this Fed Tax Credit even do us any good if we use the standard deduction (which is what we use)?


If the answer is, "No" (the tax credit will do us no good if we use the standard deduction), then I'd rather wait till I'm back in MA to work out and finalize the transaction. If it's a "Yes" (the tax credit is calculated over and above the standard deduction) then I'll have to go through the machinations of doing the deal long distance.


Thanks for your input!


Rich
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First, understand that the full $7500 credit will be available through the entire first quarter of 2019. To claim the full amount, you'll need a minimum of $7500 of tax liability in 2019. It appears that you've figured that part out, and this comment is more for others who may not have realized this.

Someone else here may have a more firm grasp on the second question. I suspect that you'll need to itemize deductions to get the line item for the credit, but I am not absolutely certain. Since I use TurboTax, I don't get a strong feeling about which tax schedule (form) my data is being fed into.
 

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Nice place to winter.

The EV tax credit form is Form 8936. The value calculated flows onto your 1040. As mentioned, your tax liability must be at least $7,500 to get the full amount and you must purchase before the Bolt before the GM phase out, which is predicted to be March 31st 2019. Assuming no last minute law changes, very unlikely..

Standard deduction or itemized does not matter, just that your total liability exceeds the $7,500.

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Someone else here may have a more firm grasp on the second question. I suspect that you'll need to itemize deductions to get the line item for the credit, but I am not absolutely certain. Since I use TurboTax, I don't get a strong feeling about which tax schedule (form) my data is being fed into.
No, you don't need to itemize. It's not a deduction (which reduces your apparent income) at all, it's a tax credit (which reduces your tax liability). See IRS form 8936.
 

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No, you don't need to itemize. It's not a deduction (which reduces your apparent income) at all, it's a tax credit (which reduces your tax liability). See IRS form 8936.
You are correct - but IRS has yet to release this tax credit form for 2018. It has to be approved by OMB first. Given recent political statements on the EV tax credit I'd say there is a small risk that OMB could slow roll this form and throw more confusion into this tax credit.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/i8936--dft.pdf
 

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A tax credit in the simplest terms is: you complete filling out your 1040 and you see a number for taxes due. Then the tax credit pays part of that tax obligation.

Deductions listed to arrive at your tax obligation are irrelevant.
Withholding which pre-paid part/all of your tax obligation may result in a big tax refund after the credit is applied.
You need $7500 of tax obligation to get the full value of this tax credit.
 

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Depending on your age, you might want to submit some W4 forms to your employer to change your withholding amount to zero for one year. Or, if you're older, do what I did when I purchased a Volt a few years ago. I took a large chunk out of my IRA and withheld nothing. Both of those will work, but be sure to change back at the beginning of next year.
 

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Depending on your age, you might want to submit some W4 forms to your employer to change your withholding amount to zero for one year. Or, if you're older, do what I did when I purchased a Volt a few years ago. I took a large chunk out of my IRA and withheld nothing. Both of those will work, but be sure to change back at the beginning of next year.

Or take a large chunk ($30k?) from your traditional IRA and convert it to a Roth. You'll be glad when you turn 70, and aren't required to pull that amount out of your Roth, as you would with a traditional IRA that has forced distributions.
 

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When my wife and I did this in CY2016 for a Volt, we pulled out 15K and that made the difference between using all of the $7500 credit or only using part of it. Everyone is different and you should check with a CPA first. But, do it now so you have the whole year to everything balanced.
 

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The Electric Kool-Aid Subsidy Test

The Wall Street Journal editors call for end of $7,500 EV Tax Credit. Not that it matters much for GM or Tesla as their credits are ending.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-electric-kool-aid-subsidy-test-11546201813
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The Electric Kool-Aid Subsidy Test

By The Editorial Board
Dec. 30, 2018 3:30 p.m. ET

President Trump’s recent blowup over General Motors layoffs was largely misdirected, though it may spur at least one good policy result. Killing subsidies for electric cars and trucks would be a victory for taxpayers, the federal fisc and the car industry.

Mr. Trump’s initial response to GM’s plant closure news was to threaten to punish the company by stripping its federal subsidies. White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow later acknowledged that Mr. Trump can’t legally single out GM for subsidy retribution. Instead the White House may take the better route of proposing to eliminate subsidies for electric vehicles, in particular the $7,500 consumer tax credit for battery-powered cars.

That handout began as part of the Obama 2009 “stimulus,” and as always supporters said it would be temporary. A decade on, GM, Nissan and Tesla are nearing or exceeding the 200,000-per-manufacturer cap on EV sales that qualify for the full credit. So they are now seeking increases in the cap, joined by other car makers and Democrats preaching climate alarm.

The credits are a classic middle-class-to-rich income transfer. EV batteries are expensive, which means the average starting price for electric cars is around $42,000. That’s some $8,000 more than the average price of a new vehicle, and $22,000 more than the average price of a new gasoline-powered small car.

Wayne Winegarden of the Pacific Research Institute looked at 2014 IRS data and found that 79% of federal EV tax credits were claimed by households with adjusted gross income of more than $100,000. Only 1% of EV buyers earned less than $50,000.

Some states and localities also hand out EV breaks, allowing consumers to reap up to $15,000 (California) or $10,500 (Connecticut) per car. This means the federal program is also a geographic wealth transfer, benefiting mainly wealthy coastal havens. The latest sales data from August shows that 53% of EV sales were in California. The subsidy will cost some $2 billion through fiscal 2019. And taxpayers will also have shelled out another $5.5 billion directly to car makers in federal grants and loans for manufacturing and technology programs by 2019, according to the Winegarden data.

Yet this largesse has not changed the economics of the electric car market. Despite advances in EV technology and all of this government support, most auto makers sell their electric vehicles at a loss. A 2016 Bloomberg News story reported that GM could lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt.

Automakers stick with these EV losers because nearly a dozen states have adopted mandates requiring that EVs make up a certain percentage of all vehicle sales. Even then, most consumers need coaxing to buy. When Georgia ended its $5,000 state tax credit in 2015, sales of electric vehicles fell 89% in two months. EVs have been on the market since 2010 and are still only about 0.5% of total vehicle sales.

Auto makers worry that without federal subsidies the state EV mandates may make EV production financially ruinous. But then states should end the mandates, or they can pick up the federal $7,500 tab.

As for climate change, studies show that total CO2 emissions from EV cars can even exceed those of conventional gas vehicles—depending on what fuel is producing the electricity to charge the batteries (coal) and how long a car battery charge lasts.

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said this month that the White House will “seriously consider” ending EV subsidies in its next budget, and that could be useful policy leverage with House Democrats. If electric cars are the future, let them earn that success in an unsubsidized marketplace.
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Isn't the Wall Street Journal owned by Rupert Murdoch (FOX News)? The stories are said to still be relatively unbiased high quality journalism. The editorials are probably Rupert Murdoch - FOX News quality and bias.

I used to subscribe to the WSJ. I independently noticed the editorial slant change *dramatically* over a short period of time a few years ago. In *all* reporting, not just opinion pieces. When I looked into why, I found that RM had purchased the paper a couple of months prior. I cancelled my subscription immediately. It's really sad, because the WSJ *was* a well-respected and relatively impartial publication. Not any more, and not by a long shot.
 

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Based on the WSJ article, I’m finally in the 1%, just not that 1%.

I guess the 1996 Dom Perignon Rose Gold Methuselah will have to wait till next New Year’s Eve. ($49k / bottle)

As for EVs putting out more CO2, that boldfaced lie has been discredited many times.

Shame on the WSJ for including that FAKE NEWS!

The Union of Concerned Scientists has a ZIP based lookup that calculates CO2 emissions for different classes of vehicles, ICE, Hybrid, EV.

Even in a state that uses mostly coal, an EV beats an ICE vehicle by a factor of two or three, based on grams of CO2 per mile. In some states the ratio is even better. Of course, if the EV is powered by solar panels the ratio can’t be calculated, as division by zero is undefined.

As for whether manufacturers are making money on EVs, quoting a 2016 cost analysis is disingenuous, batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper, and the most successful US EV manufacturer, Tesla, is finally turning a profit.

The article also references a 2014 study from the Pacific Research Institute, which just happens to be funded by the Koch brothers and Exxon. What a coincidence.
 

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I stopped reading at "The credits are a classic middle-class-to-rich income transfer.".


I'm rich? That's rich :D
 

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I dislike the injection of misinformation too. EVs aren't bigger polluters than ICE vehicles just about no matter where electricity comes from.

Those things are difficult to figure out anyhow, as gasoline production uses tons of electricity and petroleum products. Then electricity has various losses involved in the delivery...

I tend to assume the "fuel" that costs the least consumes the fewest resources. Since electricity is 1/3 the cost per mile as gasoline, I assume it's also cleaner.

I stopped reading at "The credits are a classic middle-class-to-rich income transfer.".


I'm rich? That's rich :D
That was actually the truthful part of the piece. You're more wealthy than 99.999% of all humans who have lived, and probably in the 1% of currently living humans if you make more than $36k per year.

If you bought your Bolt new, I'd consider you rich. It's subjective though, and among your peers you might not feel that way.
 

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I dislike the injection of misinformation too. EVs aren't bigger polluters than ICE vehicles just about no matter where electricity comes from.

Those things are difficult to figure out anyhow, as gasoline production uses tons of electricity and petroleum products. Then electricity has various losses involved in the delivery...

I tend to assume the "fuel" that costs the least consumes the fewest resources. Since electricity is 1/3 the cost per mile as gasoline, I assume it's also cleaner.



That was actually the truthful part of the piece. You're more wealthy than 99.999% of all humans who have lived, and probably in the 1% of currently living humans if you make more than $36k per year.

If you bought your Bolt new, I'd consider you rich. It's subjective though, and among your peers you might not feel that way.
The WSJ, as a conservative news organization, is opposed to government intervention in the private market as a general principle. If they had stuck to that argument against EV tax credits their position would have been more defensible. I happen to agree that someone plunking down $50k plus on an EV doesn’t need a tax credit, and it’s a waste of taxpayer money.

What is undeniably true is that our government has been picking winners and losers in many business sectors for a long time, and that trend won’t end anytime soon. I believe that greater energy independence and increased use of renewal energy are both important national goals, and government programs that encourage both are money well spent.

However, the devil is in the details. The EV tax credit program could have been designed so that it was aimed more at mass market vehicles, and less on luxury cars.
 

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The EV tax credit program could have been designed so that it was aimed more at mass market vehicles, and less on luxury cars.
If you believe supporting EVs is a worthwhile endeavor, then the support program should not have involved tax credits at all -- it should have been structured such that each purchaser of an EV receives a direct payment of $7,500 from the Federal Government. Such a structure has two benefits: i) it is completely transparent and would enable the electorate to know the true cost of the program, and ii) lower income Americans (i.e., those without large tax liabilities) could enjoy the benefits of the program (and of EV ownership).

In general, tax credits are used because they are easier to get through Congress than are spending bills and they obfuscate the true cost of the legislation. Our tax system would be far more transparent if tax credits were eliminated. (Note that tax credits and tax deductions are entirely different animals...)
 
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