[EV Engineering]

I never take UK car prices as directly convertible into US car prices. For one thing taxes are sky high and they are included in advertised car price. In the UK VAT (value added tax) on a car is 20%. If you get an ICE vehicle you pay additional taxes based on the CO2 emissions it releases. So, that $52,000 would actually be a sales price of around $43,500 in the US... but even that is misleading because car prices are so subjective that what is a luxury car in the US is a common commuter car in Germany and flipped around here.

If the Ionic 5 (big battery AWD) is comparable in price to the Model Y long range it would be worth waiting for... but they need to announce US pricing soon or I will end up getting something else before they peak my interest enough to make me wait for it.

Keith

If you can afford Model Y long range i would stop looking at anything else coming . From my perspective there is nobody even close with what Tesla is giving for the money.
Ioniq 5 will not be offered country wide and battery management is not nowhere to Tesla.
800 v architecture is more hype than reality without real support from 800v supercharger ( using on board propulsion controller to boost from 400v to 800v is band aid).
Or you can wait couple years and buy used Model Y for much less .

 

[Fivedoor]

If you can afford Model Y long range i would stop looking at anything else coming . From my perspective there is nobody even close with what Tesla is giving for the money.
Ioniq 5 will not be offered country wide and battery management is not nowhere to Tesla.
800 v architecture is more hype than reality without real support from 800v supercharger ( using on board propulsion controller to boost from 400v to 800v is band aid).
Or you can wait couple years and buy used Model Y for much less .

You are treating the Ioniq 5 like a compliance car, why would it not be offered country wide? If the Ioniq 5 were on sale now, I would have it instead of my Model Y Performance. The entire Electrify America network supports 800V architecture, so not sure why you say it doesn't have support.

Any company that makes a long range fast charging EV with a carbon fiber, or plastic, or aluminum, or even steel roof instead of these stupid heavy glass roof's that are the hot ticket item right now would earn my support. One of the stupidest things you can do in a performance vehicle is put a large heavy mass in it that serves no purpose... the only thing stupider is putting it high up in the vehicle. One of the stupidest things you can do in a vehicle that you are trying to make ultra efficient is put a large heavy mass in it that serves no purpose... the only thing worse is having that large heavy mass apply extra thermal load on the vehicle so the AC has to work harder in summer and the Heat has to work harder in winter. With these two suppositions in mind WTF is a giant glass roof doing in an EV of any kind, let alone a high performance EV like a Model Y performance? Yes, it looks fantastic... you look up ONCE and say "wow, isn't that cool"? Then after a few days of your head baking you buy an aftermarket sun shade.

Keith

 

[MisterJJ]

these stupid heavy glass roof's

Yup. Here's my comments about them from a previous thread:

A ton of people go absolutely goo-goo over those things. My 2006 Audi A3 offered an "open sky" panoramic sunroof and people would go nuts over it, insisting it was the greatest thing ever and you'd be insane not to get it. I had to special order my car to get the color I wanted and no sunroof. As time went by, the mesh sunshade, that was ineffective, was known to break and several people put tint on the inside of the glass to cut down on the heat and some of them shattered, possibly from heat or from flexing of the car frame. Another negative is adding weight to the worst place, on the top of the car. Many regretted the sunroof but I'm sure that more cars were initially sold because many find it impressive.

 

[EV Engineering]

You are treating the Ioniq 5 like a compliance car, why would it not be offered country wide? If the Ioniq 5 were on sale now, I would have it instead of my Model Y Performance. The entire Electrify America network supports 800V architecture, so not sure why you say it doesn't have support.

Any company that makes a long range fast charging EV with a carbon fiber, or plastic, or aluminum, or even steel roof instead of these stupid heavy glass roof's that are the hot ticket item right now would earn my support. One of the stupidest things you can do in a performance vehicle is put a large heavy mass in it that serves no purpose... the only thing stupider is putting it high up in the vehicle. One of the stupidest things you can do in a vehicle that you are trying to make ultra efficient is put a large heavy mass in it that serves no purpose... the only thing worse is having that large heavy mass apply extra thermal load on the vehicle so the AC has to work harder in summer and the Heat has to work harder in winter. With these two suppositions in mind WTF is a giant glass roof doing in an EV of any kind, let alone a high performance EV like a Model Y performance? Yes, it looks fantastic... you look up ONCE and say "wow, isn't that cool"? Then after a few days of your head baking you buy an aftermarket sun shade.

Keith

If you go on Hyundai site it will show you limited number of states that they will offer for sale. I do agree with you on glass roof....all my Tesla's are glued with foam insulation not just for heat installation but noise they transfer while driving.
And regarding 800 V support it is still far away from good coverage. Take example of routing your trip across US 54 and US 56 from Omaha NE to San Diego CA. It will require to take much longer routes to follow fast DC charging places than going over this route. Ioniq 5 is definitely on my radar but unfortunately it will not be sold in Nebraska anytime soon. I'm definitely person that loves Square design like what Ioniq 5 is. But nearest state that will offer is Colorado that is only 400+ miles away from me . So I will wait to see how will they preform in winter and if there is any manufacturing issues.
So far they suffer in other markets that they are already on sale.... loosing coolant and bad hose connections.

 

[ArizonaJon]

The other Hyundai EVs were "compliance cars." However the Ioniq 5 is planned for release in the entire US in 2022. I would not be surprised if that was delayed due to too much demand versus supply. Here in AZ it is being released now - shipments???? But you can make a "reservation." I love my Bolt but it is not for 500 mile per day trips due to the 50 kW max charging speed. I found two videos that show the Ioniq 5 charging. One was in Germany and the other in Korea. As advertised it did from 10% to 80% in about 18 minutes. With the location of EA 350 kW chargers this will meet my needs for traveling from Arizona to California.
FYI, there are several theories as to why the notch at about 50% charge. No one knows for sure. This is for the 72 kWh battery.

For a lot more information go to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 web site - Hyundai IONIQ 5

 

[EV Engineering]

The other Hyundai EVs were "compliance cars." However the Ioniq 5 is planned for release in the entire US in 2022. I would not be surprised if that was delayed due to too much demand versus supply. Here in AZ it is being released now - shipments???? But you can make a "reservation." I love my Bolt but it is not for 500 mile per day trips due to the 50 kW max charging speed. I found two videos that show the Ioniq 5 charging. One was in Germany and the other in Korea. As advertised it did from 10% to 80% in about 18 minutes. With the location of EA 350 kW chargers this will meet my needs for traveling from Arizona to California.
FYI, there are several theories as to why the notch at about 50% charge. No one knows for sure. This is for the 72 kWh battery.

For a lot more information go to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 web site - Hyundai IONIQ 5

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From what I have heard it is not going to be 50 state EV and I'm talking about 2022 . Same way like Tesla is where in many states you can lease but not in Nebraska....You want it you have to buy it or finance to buy. So most of upcoming EV are not truly offering for entire US.
One promise that they announced are Over the air updates like what Tesla is doing.....will see if this is truly clean sheet design without ICE parts bean stuffed underneath. This ability should be important for EV especially when they finish in used markets.
I will be looking .

 

[Fivedoor]

If you go on Hyundai site it will show you limited number of states that they will offer for sale. I do agree with you on glass roof....all my Tesla's are glued with foam insulation not just for heat installation but noise they transfer while driving.
And regarding 800 V support it is still far away from good coverage. Take example of routing your trip across US 54 and US 56 from Omaha NE to San Diego CA. It will require to take much longer routes to follow fast DC charging places than going over this route. Ioniq 5 is definitely on my radar but unfortunately it will not be sold in Nebraska anytime soon. I'm definitely person that loves Square design like what Ioniq 5 is. But nearest state that will offer is Colorado that is only 400+ miles away from me . So I will wait to see how will they preform in winter and if there is any manufacturing issues.
So far they suffer in other markets that they are already on sale.... loosing coolant and bad hose connections.

I didn't realize they had a published plan to only sell in certain states, my bad on that one.

I am not willing to go permanent covering of the glass roof with a glued on insulation setup like yours, and I see all the aftermarket sun shades available, and I am sort of surprised nobody offers a full "insulated roof insert" that could be installed in the M3 and MY. It wouldn't have to be heavy, and being rigid it wouldn't have the sagging problem that the cloth sun shades have.

I read about the coolant leak recall and figured typical first year teething problems. At least it is not a Model S plaid with a full blown battery fire and car meltdown! Seems like everyone with a Y on order wants the new factory in Texas to come on line so they can have the new cell design battery pack... I want more battery pack testing in the plaid's before I get one

Keith

 

[Fivedoor]

FYI, there are several theories as to why the notch at about 50% charge. No one knows for sure. This is for the 72 kWh battery.

For a lot more information go to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 web site - Hyundai IONIQ 5

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Hmmm, the obvious answer is the charger steps down from 800V to 400V at that point and the on board voltage doubler takes over... I never even thought to question my assumption on that. What are the other theories? This idea would also predict that max charging speed on a 400V charger with high current capability would be 175 KW, does that seem to be the case?

Keith

 

[EV Engineering]

I didn't realize they had a published plan to only sell in certain states, my bad on that one.

I am not willing to go permanent covering of the glass roof with a glued on insulation setup like yours, and I see all the aftermarket sun shades available, and I am sort of surprised nobody offers a full "insulated roof insert" that could be installed in the M3 and MY. It wouldn't have to be heavy, and being rigid it wouldn't have the sagging problem that the cloth sun shades have.

I read about the coolant leak recall and figured typical first year teething problems. At least it is not a Model S plaid with a full blown battery fire and car meltdown! Seems like everyone with a Y on order wants the new factory in Texas to come on line so they can have the new cell design battery pack... I want more battery pack testing in the plaid's before I get one

Keith

I would still wait one or two revisions on fat cells when they get out .

 

[EV Engineering]

Hmmm, the obvious answer is the charger steps down from 800V to 400V at that point and the on board voltage doubler takes over... I never even thought to question my assumption on that. What are the other theories? This idea would also predict that max charging speed on a 400V charger with high current capability would be 175 KW, does that seem to be the case?

Keith

Battery infrastructure is different from what you learn that Porsche ( Audi) have.... VW 800 voltage has capability to split pack in two 400 v sections and it is not using on board motor controller to boost voltage.
Ioniq 5 has different approach if you use 400V DC fast charging it will use on board propulsion controller to boost from 400 V to 800V.On 800 V capable Fast DC charging it should be all on the charger to maintain voltage and current with BMS that tells the charger what Voltage and current is needed. Why is it drop like knife at this SOC is only known to Hyundai ( it may be that they gather data before they can enable full advantage of fast DC charging).
But even with this bug it is still much faster than what you will need to get yourself refreshed.
And it is in territory of what my girlfriend can afford.... so i will be looking forward for getting one from Colorado.

 

[EV Engineering]

Here is the latest revision on Ioniq 5 using 800 V capable charger

Sorry for not being English but it is what I got.

 

[SparkE]

(double post. Oops. ) There's no "delete my post" option, just "Edit" ?

 

[SparkE]

Hope they get a handle on that before launch in U.S.

If past performance (sales of EVs in the U.S.) is any indication, they'll probably only ship a few hundred a month to the entire country anyways, so ... don't hold your breath.

 

[EV Engineering]

If past performance (sales of EVs in the U.S.) is any indication, they'll probably only ship a few hundred a month to the entire country anyways, so ... don't hold your breath.

What they posted on website it will not be US nationwide....

 

[SparkE]

Let me restate, then, to make it blindingly clear (the previous post could be interpreted in multiple fashions) ...

If past performance (sales of EVs in the U.S.) is any indication, they'll probably only ship a few hundred a month into the United States (no matter where they decide to sell it) , so ... don't hold your breath.

Heck, when the Ioniq EV was first exported to the U.S., not only was it only sold in California, it was only offered in Los Angeles county !

 

[p7wang]

 

[p7wang]

 

[Colt Hero]

I'm guessing this vehicle will likely be approaching $40k after rebates! At first glance, I'd say "I'm out", but I'd have to think about it a little more. The gas vehicle I'd be comparing it to would be a Chevy Blazer (2LT), which I could buy for ~$27k-$28k out-the-door (after my GM "Points" are applied). So this Ioniq 5 would cost me (at least) $10k more up-front. Is that worth it? Maybe.

 

[Fivedoor]

They talk about safety... I have to wonder, have they walked away from LG Chem for the new platform? You have to love 2 years of free charging. The fact that you can go from 10% to over 90% in 30 min is amazing, and 10% to 80% in 18 min is astonishing.

Keith

 

[Boltmobile]

I think it is one the best styled cars I've seen in a very long time

Every time i look at the ioniq 5 i think about the renault 5 turbo. And the new renault 5 electric is even more similar to the ioniq 5.