[wonderbolt]

Full article linked below. Let's hope so...

"General Motors is “on track” to meet its goal of having 20 battery-electric vehicles in production by 2023, a senior executive said, despite the fact that it hasn’t introduced a new BEV since launching the Chevrolet Bolt EV three years ago. Expect to see a flood of new offerings that will follow the debut of Cadillac’s first all-electric model a little more than a year from now, hinted Rick Spina, GM’s vice president of electric and autonomous vehicle programs, in a conversation with TheDetroitBureau.com."

GM “On Track” to Meet 20 EV Target by 2023 | TheDetroitBureau.com

www.thedetroitbureau.com

 

[GJETSON]

I think all the American legacy makers are holding back on any big expenditures until they see which way the political winds will blow in the US.

 

[p7wang]

Electric Corvette SUV for one? There was also talk of making Cadillac brand all electric.

Ford's Mustang Mach-E debut puts pressure on Chevy to build a Corvette SUV

Following Ford Motor unveiling the all-electric Mustang Mach-E SUV, pressure is increasing on General Motors to potentially expand its most-iconic nameplate.

www.cnbc.com

 

[GJETSON]

Electric Corvette SUV for one? There was also talk of making Cadillac brand all electric.

One advantage of a Corvette SUV is that you wouldn't have to make it any bigger, just make practical use of all the wasted space.

 

[redpoint5]

As an aside, Corvettes are surprisingly fuel efficient given their large engines. Some are seeing 30 MPG averages

 

[tomw]

I think all the American legacy makers are holding back on any big expenditures until they see which way the political winds will blow in the US.

Good luck with that. The variability of political winds has increased as much as the real winds have due to climate change. It seems clear now you have to make long term plans as immune to shifts in political wind as possible because the only known is that they WILL continually change, and drastically at times.

 

[Boltsport]

Good luck with that. The variability of political winds has increased as much as the real winds have due to climate change. It seems clear now you have to make long term plans as immune to shifts in political wind as possible because the only known is that they WILL continually change, and drastically at times.

The irony, of course, is that climate change is not political--at least in most of the world. The United States is a noted exception.

 

[redpoint5]

Climate change never was political, and there's next to no link. Climate has been changing since there has been life somewhere in the universe. Warming has probably accelerated due to fossil fuel consumption, which is directly tied to economics. The more accurate statement would be that increasing health and economic wellbeing on earth has accelerated global warming.

Politics has hardly changed, and the 2 so-called sides are indistinguishable from each other. They consist of people and their associated flaws, and the tribal loyalty inherent in the human condition. The politicians play the games that are successful with the sheeple. None of this is easily fixable since it's encoded deep down at the DNA level.

The only way politics will make a significant difference in global warming is if the world adopted dictators that hold a Bernie Sanders philosophy; that we should be ruled by elites that impose a heavily socialistic scheme, which would achieve the goal of reducing consumption, because consumption goes down when everyone is poor. CO2 and wealth go hand in hand. Almost nobody is going to vote to be poorer.

That said, advancing technology is most likely to solve our climate change problem, both in reducing CO2 emissions, and in mitigating the negative consequences of it. That has practically nothing to do with politics too. It tends to advance on it's own, ironically supported by those high CO2 emitting wealthy economies.

As an aside, I wish the impeachment charade would go on another decade to distract the politicians from their usual job of eroding liberty and growing government authority.

 

[discodanman45]

Climate change never was political, and there's next to no link. Climate has been changing since there has been life somewhere in the universe. Warming has probably accelerated due to fossil fuel consumption, which is directly tied to economics. The more accurate statement would be that increasing health and economic wellbeing on earth has accelerated global warming.

The definition of climate change in the context we are discussing is the global warming and climate impacts by emissions produced from the 20th century by humans. Relating it to past climate change is arguments made by climate change deniers to say climate always changes and takes away the human responsibility. In the scientific community there are two discussions being had on climate change. The first is we can fix it through renewable energy and getting away from fossil fuels. The second is that it is probably too late and the climate change has already been set into motion and can't be stopped. I am leaning towards the second opinion.

 

[redpoint5]

... then there's my 3rd perspective, that there is an element humans are responsible for (the accelerated warming part), and some reasonable amount of action that should be taken to reduce further CO2 emissions, along with adapting to the warming. There's some middle way between "do everything" and "do nothing" that properly balances the need to advance technology and mitigate the effects of change through prosperity (resource consumption), and the need to conserve scarce resources for the future and reduce the amount of CO2 emissions.

In the medium term I expect we'll build out more nuclear electricity plants and continue to transition toward electrification of many things including ground transportation.

Longer term, I see the decline in the birthrates accelerating due to many factors (increasing education, increasing prosperity, delayed age of reproduction, VR porn...), and eventually a declining human population placing less pressure on scarce resources. The political friction will have moved on to other divisive issues, where one group says the problem is the most important thing in the world, and the other group saying it isn't a problem at all, with the truth found somewhere between those extremes.

 

[Like2bike]

What are they smokin'

 

[NoMoPetrol]

Climate change never was political...Politics has hardly changed, and the 2 so-called sides are indistinguishable from each other...

Or, as Will Rogers said a century ago, "The trouble with the Left Wing and the Right Wing is that they are flapping off the same bird."

The only way politics will make a significant difference in global warming is if the world adopted dictators that hold a Bernie Sanders philosophy; that we should be ruled by elites that impose a heavily socialistic scheme...

As an emphasis of this point, the two regions of the world forcing auto manufacturers into the production of EVs, the EU and China, are because of heavy-handed government mandates. Absent those socialistic schemes, no EV adoption.[/QUOTE]

As an aside, I wish the impeachment charade would go on another decade to distract the politicians from their usual job of eroding liberty and growing government authority.

The conundrum in this last comment is addressed in my first two responses.

 

[SparkE]

Aaaaaand we take a hard turn into the outfield with a massive thread jacking ....

Mods : can you create two generic threads in the "this isn't about EV vehicles" portion of the site, one for "soapbox for political topics", and the other for "climate change"? That will make it much, much easier to find these two topics of discussion in the future, instead of having to wade through every thread on the site (since these two topics pop up all the time in threads, no matter what the original topic).

Thx.

Oh, I almost forgot ; HITLER alert !!!

 

[greendave]

Two years later, these predictions are looking pretty dubious.

I suppose technically the Bolt EUV is 'new'. Then there's the Hummer (fall 2022) and the Lyriq SUV (Q2 2022).

So that means what, 17 more EV models in 2023?

 

[EV Fan]

Two years later, these predictions are looking pretty dubious.

I suppose technically the Bolt EUV is 'new'. Then there's the Hummer (fall 2022) and the Lyriq SUV (Q2 2022).

So that means what, 17 more EV models in 2023?

If you want to be really generous, "in production" in 2023 would mean 2024 MY vehicles. So two years?

 

[M1A4ME]

Maybe the goal should be a number associated with "good" vehicles that won't cause their owners - or the chevy dealers - problems. You know build them right to start with vs. letting the owners/dealers find the problems.

 

[EV Fan]

Maybe the goal should be a number associated with "good" vehicles that won't cause their owners - or the chevy dealers - problems. You know build them right to start with vs. letting the owners/dealers find the problems.

There has never been a vehicle built that didn't have SOME problems. So I am not sure what you are getting at. As a while, Chevy actually does pretty well in quality testing. The last two years, GM has been pretty high up in the JD Power IQS scores.

 

[M1A4ME]

I have a garage full of Z28's (81 Z28, 83 Z28, 86 IROC Z28 and a lone 74 Camaro LT). I've been a Chevy Guy for years.

But, I've had a couple that can only be described as "the more you drive it, the more it will break."

82 K5 Blazer (if you're a Chevy guy you remember the big Blazers.) Three injector pumps at $650 each. Regular 45 to 50 thousand mile wear out item. Two rebuilt transmissions. One rebuilt rear end. Six starters over the years. Two broken rocker arm shafts. That's the big stuff. The list of small stuff is mostly forgotten now.

05 Silverado 1500 (just got rid of that pig). Regular electric system issues. Made in those years when Chevy built trucks with those issues. Failing dash/instrument panel, intermittent heater/ac control issues, brake lines rusted out at the 6 year mark, cooling system hoses that cost $100 for one hose. Not going into the detailed list of just what I'd replaced this year alone. The standard scenario is goes like this: rear brake retention spring breaks. Replace the brake shoes and hardware kit. The next day the rear right turn signal light goes out. Replace it. Three days later they find a broken U bolt on the rear axle when doing the annual safety inspection. That get's replaced. The next week the heating/cooling fan under the dash burns up the relay and runs the battery down. It takes spells like that every couple of years. That was the third fan relay over the years. Good news was that the first time it was over $100 and the price has come down to only about $35 this last time.

My only Ford during that time was the 1990 F150 4WD. 251,000 miles on it when I traded it off. In all those years/miles all that got replaces was tires, battery, one exhaust system, brakes, radiator, radio, gas tanks and heater core. Drive train was all original from the fan on the water pump to the cover on the rear axle housing. Only check engine light it ever had was one morning when the bottom radiator hose came loose and the engine temps went up.

So, the 05 Silverado was replaced this summer with a 2021 F250. I'm hoping it will follow in the foot steps of the 1990 F150 and outlast me.

There won't be another Chevy truck/SUV at my house. I'm hoping the Bolt lasts a long time.

 

[shocker]

20 EV models, worldwide. US? Lyriq, Celestiq, Bolt, Bolt EUV, Silverado, so far.

 

[EV Fan]

20 EV models, worldwide. US? Lyriq, Celestiq, Bolt, Bolt EUV, Silverado, so far.

Hummer