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Guess O Meter Improvement

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I suggest the GOM be converted to % battery charge instead of estimated miles left. We would still have maximum and minimum mile estimates. That gets us away from always saying the GOM is wrong. This would also keep me from trying to count bars with my eyes off the road. Haha
At least make it an option to see % charge instead of miles. In my opinion % charge is more meaningful than a mileage estimate which is always wrong due to so many variables. Hopefully GM will read this. Doubtful I know.
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Yes. There was a plea for a 1% increment SoC display at a meeting w/Nissan folks including Leaf's Chief Vehicle Engineer in Dec 2011. I was there. Some chatter about the content of the meeting begins at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6049&start=250. Nissan listened and added it on the '13 Leaf.

'11 and '12 Leaf only had a GOM and 12 fuel bars (not even 20). WAY before Leaf Spy existed, people built stuff like the original "gid meter": https://saxton.org/tom_saxton/2012/01/leaf-soc-meter-build.html. GaryGid discovered a value that read ~281 on a full charge and went down as you depleted the battery. So, that was used a proxy for % SoC. People still look at battery gids today even w/newer Leafs but w/more modern apps like Leaf Spy.
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Along those lines, they could have made the display capable of showing 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 of the charge bars in order to show 1% increments instead of (optimistic) 5% increments. But they did not.
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Yeah. That was a complaint during the meeting: the Leaf's 12 fuel bars weren't granular enough. You couldn't tell if you were at the top, middle or bottom of a bar. And yeah, same deal w/Bolt's 20 bars.

And, the GOM varied a lot or ticked down really rapidly at highway speeds/up a hill (e.g. transitioning from city to highway meant for each highway mile traveled, GOM might tick down by 1.5 to 2 miles). And, you were also flying blind once the GOM became --- miles w/o any sort of % SoC display.

Kinda matters when '11 and '12 Leaf only had 73 mile EPA range ratings on a new battery w/no degradation.
I don't mind the guess-o-meter that much. If only it would also list a numerical value for the efficiency meter level in addition to the minimum, maximum, and average value.

Regardless, a percentage meter would still be nice. It's not like that's a hard thing to do, all our electronics have one. Even the drones I fly for work, despite having their own guess-o-meter for the remaining flight time in the HUD, still have a battery percentage meter above that.
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My Mach E displays battery % and miles (a guess). I much prefer the Bolt display, especially the trend vector. The minimum value and the trend vector make it really easy to adjust speed to conserve range when on a trip, and needing to get to the next charger. If I want to see battery percent on the Bolt, I bring up the MyChevrolet app on CarPlay. That also gives the predicted battery at the charger or destination.
If I want to see battery percent on the Bolt, I bring up the MyChevrolet app on CarPlay.
That used to work until it stopped working for months. I haven't bothered trying again. The app w/CarPlay for awhile was a dumpster fire where it would do nothing on the CarPlay screen other than show a spinning cog, possibly with a stale number. The rest of the apps I use with CarPlay work ok or fine (e.g. Spotify, Apple Maps, Waze, Google Maps, Pandora).

I just use their app on my iPhone 8 by itself but sometimes it's broken and shows a stale value. When that happens, I have to switch to using the my Android phone w/the My Chevrolet app.
My Mach E displays battery % and miles (a guess). I much prefer the Bolt display, especially the trend vector. The minimum value and the trend vector make it really easy to adjust speed to conserve range when on a trip, and needing to get to the next charger. If I want to see battery percent on the Bolt, I bring up the MyChevrolet app on CarPlay. That also gives the predicted battery at the charger or destination.
This. The only people who complain about the gom being inaccurate either expect it to be psychic and predict you're suddenly taking the vehicle on rainy highways after a week of dry city only or don't understand physics at all.

Most who complain only ever mention one number as though they don't even have the enhanced dic with its min/ max range and trend bar enabled.
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In addition to the 1-pedal driving, which I think ia hands down the best I’ve driven, I think the GOM (for my use at least) is one of the best executed features of the car.
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If you drove an ice care for 60 years as I have, you got used to a fuel gage that just had a little needle that pointed to “full” or “empty” and knowledge that the drop in the needle was not consistent. For me the 20 bars are much more information. But, of course, there are gas stations on every corner and refueling takes only 10 minutes. So I guess we need more info.
I love the GOM as it is. It rewards me with granny driving and punishes me for teenage driving. 😂
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I think the GOM should also consider the regen... because I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

Easy example: A 16 mile 75 mph drive nets me ~4 miles/kwh. Part of its downhill... GOM seemingly only considers the constant 75 mph energy expenditures rather than the possible regen. It's usually off by 10-20 miles in its estimate. While I drive a total of about 32 miles a day, going by initial GOM vs final GOM estimate, GOM says I drive like 10-15 miles total in a day.

The infotainment and myChevy app/website are a mess. The infotainment energy efficiency considers the regen, but website does not. MyChevy website shows my efficiency at 3.2 miles/kwh ... and that actually makes sense since 75 mph driving for 20-30 minutes is energy-intensive!
Yes. There was a plea for a 1% increment SoC display at a meeting w/Nissan folks including Leaf's Chief Vehicle Engineer in Dec 2011. I was there. Some chatter about the content of the meeting begins at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6049&start=250. Nissan listened and added it on the '13 Leaf.

'11 and '12 Leaf only had a GOM and 12 fuel bars (not even 20). WAY before Leaf Spy existed, people built stuff like the original "gid meter": https://saxton.org/tom_saxton/2012/01/leaf-soc-meter-build.html. GaryGid discovered a value that read ~281 on a full charge and went down as you depleted the battery. So, that was used a proxy for % SoC. People still look at battery gids today even w/newer Leafs but w/more modern apps like Leaf Spy.
I had a Palm Pilot mounted in my 2001 RAV4-EV, that attached to the OBDII port. It displayed similar info to that shown with our smartphone OBDII interfaces today. Super handy.
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If you drove an ice care for 60 years as I have, you got used to a fuel gage that just had a little needle that pointed to “full” or “empty” and knowledge that the drop in the needle was not consistent. For me the 20 bars are much more information. But, of course, there are gas stations on every corner and refueling takes only 10 minutes. So I guess we need more info.
I'm convinced that ICE gas tanks are funnel-shaped...
I think the GOM should also consider the regen... because I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

Easy example: A 16 mile 75 mph drive nets me ~4 miles/kwh. Part of its downhill... GOM seemingly only considers the constant 75 mph energy expenditures rather than the possible regen. It's usually off by 10-20 miles in its estimate. While I drive a total of about 32 miles a day, going by initial GOM vs final GOM estimate, GOM says I drive like 10-15 miles total in a day.
Incorrect. The gom is just a rolling fuel economy type calculation same as used in an ice only for kwh instead of litres. It uses the vehicles past efficiency to guess future range. The vehicles efficiency calculations include regen.
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Incorrect. The gom is just a rolling fuel economy type calculation same as used in an ice only for kwh instead of litres. It uses the vehicles past efficiency to guess future range. The vehicles efficiency calculations include regen.
No, it's not. You're incorrect. The DIC is the actual rolling fuel economy type of calculation and it disagrees with the GOM.

There's just no way 80% SOC corresponds to a 160 mile GOM prediction when DIC/Infotainment reports 4 miles/kwh. And I'm not the only one to report these discrepancies. Have a look at the 2017/2020 tables in this article:

If GOM was really looking at regen, I shouldn't have 10-20 mile prediction errors and I should get predictions like this:
4*0.8*64=204 miles

4 is what DIC and Infotainment show

If I use 3.2:
3.2*0.8*64 = 164 miles (this is almost EXACTLY what I see on GOM).

3.2 is what myChevy shows. This is probably my miles/kwh WITHOUT regen.
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Wrong. The gom is also a rolling fuel calc. It's uses approximately the last 50km of driving history. You can see this 50km in graph form one one of screens of the touch screen. It is broken down into segments. I have watched the gom spike as inefficient segments at one end drop and are replaced by more efficient segments at the other end. I have watched the gom correct itself to my 20% reduced speed after 25-30km to make a detour around a road closure but still make my destination.

The dic efficiency reports from when it was reset last. When's the last time you reset it?? Likely more than 50km ago so obviously they won't agree. You see those changes as your efficiency changes throughout the day.

If you turn on the enhanced dic with its min, mean and max gom and trend bar you can see these changes in real time.
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@Openair is correct, when I drive down the Niagara Escarpment the GOM is useless as it sees me driving at 90Kmh and generating power for about 30Km, then it’s whacked again when heading back up. I would have guessed the GOM is looking at 40Km (25 miles) and not the 50Km the DIC is showing but I don’t know for sure.
Wrong. The gom is also a rolling fuel calc. It's uses approximately the last 50km of driving history. You can see this 50km in graph form one one of screens of the touch screen. It is broken down into segments. I have watched the gom spike as inefficient segments at one end drop and are replaced by more efficient segments at the other end. I have watched the gom correct itself to my 20% reduced speed after 25-30km to make a detour.

The dic reports from when it was reset last. When's the last time you reset it?? Likely more than 50km ago so obviously they won't agree. You see those changes as your efficiency changes throughout the day.
Wrong, the GOM is not a rolling fuel calculation. Did you look at the WIND-WORKS article? You're objectively wrong and those numerous measurements show significant disagreement. Your anecdote does not contradict tables of numerous GOM and efficiency values (they do not agree, even when the car is brand new with basically no usage). Whatever GOM does, it's not a simple rolling fuel calculation like you think it is.

Not that it really matters, I've reset the DIC numerous times to test this. And I've done numerous tests to quantify battery capacity using kwhConsumed/diffSOC% to make sure my battery is actually around 66 kwh.

Why doesn't this DIC thing really matter? Because the Infotainment system will report miles driven and kwh hours consumed. You can simply divide the two quantities to get miles/kwh... no issue right? And these values reset when you recharge. That's definitely going to give you an accurate efficiency within - what you claim - the 50km history (my 32 mile total commute ~ 51 km). But they don't agree still! Oh, but how can that be?

NOTE: You make the bold assumption that the Infotainment's energy statistics is used by the GOM (it is almost certainly not used by the GOM).

Now, have you ever noticed that the Infotainment system will count backwards kwh consumed during regen? This directly affects your manual efficiency calculation from the Infotainment system... without kwh consumed counting backwards like that, my efficiency calculation would be far worse.

And that leads to my hypothesis: The GOM pessimistically measures only expenditures of energy and not regen to produce its range predictions.

If the Infotainment can count kwh consumed backwards during regen, then perhaps if it didn't, the measured efficiency would be in line with GOM's characteristically lower range predictions. It's a very simple explanation! On top of that, we all know the myChevy website/app would produce seemingly non-sense efficiency values (usually much lower). But these values (at least in my case), agrees almost exactly with the GOM. And they agree with my 75 mph commute (which SHOULD NOT be 4 miles/kwh).

And a nicety of this hypothesis (if true) is that it means the GOM is giving you driving range estimate assuming you never regen. This is the most conservative estimate you could possibly want, right? The GOM might be telling, "You can drive N miles if you never regen." And that makes a lot of sense to me.

Does my hypothesis explain your observation?
I have watched the gom correct itself to my 20% reduced speed after 25-30km to make a detour.
In fact it does! If you're reducing your speed, your energy consumption goes down. If the GOM only operates on energy expenditure to makes it prediction and you happen to be using less energy because you're driving slower, then that means GOM should provide higher range predictions.

And it explains my situation very well too! My commute is partly downhill. I drive 75mph for 20-30 minutes every day and I manage 4 miles/kwh through manual calculation from Infotainment (since you don't want to trust my DIC). How do I manage that? I am regenerating energy going downhill and my Infotainment system is counting backwards kwh consumed.
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