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Hyundai is ramping up as a major player in the auto industry, right up there with the big dogs. Just one example of this step up is the upcoming Hynudai Ioniq, a new vehicle that will come with a fully-electric version as well as hybrid ones as well.

“Our vision for future mobility focuses on choice, with a variety of powertrain options to suit customers’ varied lifestyles, without compromising on design or driving enjoyment,” said Woong-Chul Yang, Head of Hyundai Motor R&D Center. “IONIQ embodies Hyundai Motor’s vision to shift the automotive paradigm and future mobility; IONIQ is the fruit of our efforts to become the leader in the global green car market.”
The Ioniq will debut in South Korea in January, and will tour to the 2016 auto shows in Geneva and New York as well.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/12/hyundai-ioniq-to-offer-three-electrified-powertrains.html
 

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I'm looking forward to this. Having seen where they were 20 years ago to now and how strong they're positioned on the market, this should be one of the really competitive EV's out.
 

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Will this be their first EV? I wonder how their technology will compare to the competition. Considering how many of the major battery producing companies are based in Korea, I could see that country coming out with some of the best electric cars by drawing on the same talent.
 

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Isn't the Chevy Bolt going to be revealed in January too? Not in the same country but it will be interesting to compare the two once we hear more about them.
 

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I think that Hyundai is rapidly becoming a much more competitive brand. Hyundai is making EVs and also a new luxury brand. I wonder what type of discussions the other brands have regarding these types of developments.
 

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Hyundai Releases Ioniq Teaser Images and Details



Hyundai has released two teaser images that give us the best look yet at what both the inside and outside of the Ioniq look like. The company also confirmed that the Ioniq will be the world's first vehicle to offer a choice of three electrified powertrains: full electric, plug-in hybrid or standard hybrid.

Pricing is unknown right now, but it is meant to compete with the Chevy Bolt, and it will debut in Geneva before appearing in North America at the New York Auto Show.



http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/12/hyundai-ioniq-teased-with-elantra-like-styling.html
 

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When Hyundai comes out with more EV's, do you guy think we can expect to see names that are structured similar to 'Ioniq' ?

That does seem to be the norm within the industry.
 

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Over a year later, still not delivered to customers in the U.S. (they *swear* it will be here any day!).

Ioniq (plug in) hybrid test drive :

Ioniq EV test drive :
 

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Isn't this car 125 miles of range? Ho-hum. Who cares? I have no use for this car any more than the Nissan Leaf before it.
 

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Ioniq has a 0-60 mph time of 10+ seconds and a 124 mile range. Pass.

I'm sure the interior quality (and width) will put the Bolt to shame, but that's not enough.
 

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Ioniq has a 0-60 mph time of 10+ seconds and a 124 mile range. Pass.

I'm sure the interior quality (and width) will put the Bolt to shame, but that's not enough.
Yeah, the Ioniq is like EV v1.5 whereas the Bolt is EV v2.0.
 

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It's not the same market, and it's definitely not the same price (as the Bolt). The Ioniq PHEV may become my "ICE" when my 20-year-old car dies. It provides 30+ miles on electric, then gas. 30 miles is enough for most of my days. I can take the "longer range" electric when driving 20-70 miles away, and the Ioniq when driving over 100 miles away. Sort of a win-win situation.

An electric range of 125 miles (range of the Ioniq EV) is enough for 95+ percent of the trips that me & the missus take. The EV has a MSRP of about $30K (before any rebates or tax credits). And their cost to lease will probably cost a lot less than the Bolt.

There's definitely a market for a 125-mile-range BEV, especially when it's about $7000 less than the Bolt (and with more upscale interior).
 
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Well, the 2020 Ioniq has been revised with about 10 kWh bigger battery, and range increases to 170 miles. The horsepower gets bumped up a little to ~135 horsepower. The price increases by ~$2,200 which seems pretty steep. This puts the base model somewhere around $35k out the door. I think I read somewhere it gets liquid cooling for the battery too.

Anyone interested? It seems to be nearly what I'm looking for. If incentives put the price closer to $30k, I'd be tempted since I could get it for ~$20k after subsidies.

 

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For $20k, it would seem like a good second/city car. I wouldn't want to go on any long trips with that low range and slow-charging battery though.

Also those capacative touch buttons on the dashboard are an utter abomination. It's like the worst possible type of button for a car. Physical buttons are the way to go for eyes-free use due to the tactile feedback they provide as you slide your fingers over the buttons to find the right one; if you're gonna throw that out, it had better be for a high-quality touchscreen that can flexibly reconfigure itself according to the context. In a car, a touch-sensitive button in a fixed location that provides no tactile feedback combines the worst of both worlds is a completely bizarre choice.
 

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Agreed on the buttons. That was my biggest complaint going from a Blackberry with physical buttons to an Android. Typing speed and accuracy took a nosedive. They should have gone the Tesla route and made the screen control everything instead. For that matter, I can get a Google Home for $20 that understands voice commands. Shouldn't be that expensive to add voice control to a vehicle.

The car seems to have good utility though, perhaps the cargo space is about as big as a Prius? It's among the most efficient EVs too at 133 MPGe, just behind the Model 3 standard+
 

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For $20k, it would seem like a good second/city car. I wouldn't want to go on any long trips with that low range and slow-charging battery though.

Also those capacative touch buttons on the dashboard are an utter abomination. It's like the worst possible type of button for a car. Physical buttons are the way to go for eyes-free use due to the tactile feedback they provide as you slide your fingers over the buttons to find the right one; if you're gonna throw that out, it had better be for a high-quality touchscreen that can flexibly reconfigure itself according to the context. In a car, a touch-sensitive button in a fixed location that provides no tactile feedback combines the worst of both worlds is a completely bizarre choice.
Yup, the thing I hated about my first generation Volt was the "not really a button" buttons!

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I sent an email to several Hyundai dealers asking for their best price on the Ioniq. Most didn't give me a price, but instead talked about how they want to help me with my vehicle search. The best price offered was $32,000 which seems very steep considering a Model 3 can be purchased for ~$36,000 and the Bolt has been discounted to somewhere around $26,000.

Don't know how they expect to sell any of those vehicles when they are priced above vehicles with longer range. Now if they came down to $25,000 we might have a conversation.
 

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I sent an email to several Hyundai dealers asking for their best price on the Ioniq. Most didn't give me a price, but instead talked about how they want to help me with my vehicle search. The best price offered was $32,000 which seems very steep considering a Model 3 can be purchased for ~$36,000 and the Bolt has been discounted to somewhere around $26,000.

Don't know how they expect to sell any of those vehicles when they are priced above vehicles with longer range. Now if they came down to $25,000 we might have a conversation.
Oddly, the range of the Model 3 SR that you can get for $36,000 doesn't have significantly better range than the new Ioniq Electric. Yes, the SR has an EPA rated range of 250 miles, but I literally don't know of a single person who has achieved that in real-world driving. Most are simply accepting the 170 to 180 miles they are seeing. Yes, the Model 3 still has an advantage in charging speeds, but again, maybe not as significant as it seems. The SR only charges at a peak rate of 170 kW with a sharp taper (compared to the much faster 250 kW in the LR that everyone talks about) while the Ioniq Electric charges at an average speed of 60 to 70 kW up to about 70% battery, so you are really only looking at a few minutes saved in a Model 3 over a several hour drive. The Ioniq Electric also has one significant advantage over the Model 3 that some are willing to pay more for: A traditional hatchback opening.

Now, the question is, are those differences worth $4,000? I can't answer that, but I do seem to recall that the Ioniq comes with a number of features included that you have to pay extra for in a Model 3 (especially the $36,000 SR), so that might also be a consideration. All told, I don't think $32,000 for the Ioniq Electric is that out of line, especially because it still qualifies for the full $7,500 Federal EV Tax Credit.
 
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