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It now says 2022 new platform so I guess that means likely no significant updates til' then? https://www.autonews.com/article/20...ctrified-models-slated-to-arrive-through-2022
I found information on Future Bolt 2022
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So many long range EV's are supposed to be here by now, but we still have only a few choices. I could buy a Bolt very easily in California for about $33,000 for the LT model before any incentives. I could buy a Model 3 for $42,000 or spend $80,000 to $150,000 on a Model S or X. I could also go to a Jaguar dealership and get a iPace for about $80,000. They are on the lots and not selling. I also could get a Leaf without active thermal battery management and have a worthless car after 3 years. I am still waiting on these EV's to make it to market in the US.
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my plan is to keep milage / wear and tear low on my current Bolt and hope for a very sweet deal on a 2020-2022 bolt . I'm still only @11k miles and it looks mostly new
The number of EV models continues to rise. Some are "long range" (definition lacking by intent) and some are not. China has both the largest number of EVs and (IIRC) models from which to choose. Among the current US and British offerings are (multiple) models from: Audi, BMW, Chevrolet, Citreon, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Infiniti, Jaguar, Kia, Lexus, Mercedes Benz, Mini, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Opal, Peugeot, Porsche, Range Rover, Renault, Subaru, Tesla, Toyota, VW, Volvo and others! I love my Chevy Bolt EV, but increases in range (battery size AND miles/kWh), charging rates, and "autonomous features" (like adaptive cruise control) MAY convince me to go for a newer model of "something" in two or three years!
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For true; back in the 2014-16 window when we were deciding on an EV, our friends/relatives who were leasing all gave the argument, "The technology will be changing so rapidly, you don't want to own; upgrade as the tech comes." Well guess what, all of them love their EVs so much, they're running over the allowable lease mileage at great cost. They now all tell me the tech didn't come as promised and they wish they'd bought.
A very odd thing for some BMW i3 owners is when their lease is up, the residual is higher than book value. They're being overcharged if they choose to buy the car they know and love. But then BMW sends their car to auction, where it's sold cheap and put on the independent market to retail for less than the residual. Go figure why BMW chooses to screw with loyal owners?
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By 2022 the bolt will be on their new Bev 3 platform. I'm hoping for an over 400 mile range. 4 years is still a long time away.
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The BMW i3 is so ugly and small (I saw two up close and one was as long as the distance from my 1995 Buick Regal nose to the rear door) that I will not buy one even used. I am waiting for a domestic electric or hybrid CUV. GM has the technology to do one since 2010. Even GM Authority is asking where is the hybrid Chevy Equinox and GMC Terrain!
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/02/ford-escape-hybrid-on-the-way-how-about-a-chevy-equinox-hybrid/
As for BMW, they probably want their customers to buy the more expensive EVs instead of the i3. This means that the i3 could be cancelled.
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Anyone find out any news on our current car's Bev 2 platform (newer models or pack improvements)? Now that Bev 3 is replacing Bev 2 in 2022 (only 4 more years away) I'm doubtful the bolt will get any significant improvement before the complete redesign in 2022. On the other hand I do recall reading posts on here that LG had newer cells that could result in a 72kwh pack if GM wanted it.
Back when I had my 2012 Volt I test drove a 2013 or 2014 i3 (non-rex). The salesman told me it had over 200 miles of range. I wasn't serious about purchasing anyway, so I didn't bother to call him a liar to his face.
I noticed long ago that car salesman don't know dick about cars, they know about people... they don't have any problem feeding the customer a line of $hit to make a sale. If an ignorant person purchased that i3 expecting 200+ miles of range they would have been horribly disappointed, and unable to prove that the salesman lied to them.
This type of sales technique hurts EV adoption. Even worse for EV adoption, Nissan being the face of battery degradation gives every EV a reputation of needing an expensive new battery every 3 years.
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That you drive a 1995 Buick Regal and hate i3 styling are personal preferences not universally shared, but your choices, accepted as such.
OTOH, I have a couple of years of close personal experience and seat time in a family member's i3, love the styling, love the performance and it's a high-quality car which could serve us well for daily use. Yes, limited range is why we didn't buy a lease-return i3 and the longer range is why we did buy a new Bolt. The Bolt is a better all-around vehicle, but that doesn't negate the i3 virtues.
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That article isn't "new information".
1) it is from Oct 1, 2018.
2) it is simply some author's guesses, such as "Expect a Bolt-based crossover coming to Chevy in 2020, if not before" and "Chevrolet Bolt EV: The Bolt likely will move to GM's new EV platform in 2022"
1) it is from Oct 1, 2018.
2) it is simply some author's guesses, such as "Expect a Bolt-based crossover coming to Chevy in 2020, if not before" and "Chevrolet Bolt EV: The Bolt likely will move to GM's new EV platform in 2022"
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Yes and other authors mentioned new bolt around 2025. The other author is from a fan site called " GM Authority" that's been around a few Years (best estimate is around 8 years ago- even Google didn't have an answer on when it was started).
Automotive news is in Detroit and been around since 1925. I'm very sure that they are in very frequent communication with all manufacturers. Also, the magazine's/ Site's predictions on previous model refresh timetables have been consistently accurate because it comes from the sources not guessing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_News
So who do You think is more likely to be correct about it?
Well, considering statements by GM higher-ups over the last few years about GM's electrification efforts and number of EVs to be out (before 2020) - I would say that none of them are correct.
It's all guesswork, and even GM executives either don't know, won't tell, or keep changing their minds.
The correct answer is : "nobody knows, not even GM executives".
It's all guesswork, and even GM executives either don't know, won't tell, or keep changing their minds.
The correct answer is : "nobody knows, not even GM executives".
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I suppose to 100% know for sure we will have to wait until 2022 and see what happens. I'll be happy to bump this thread up in around ,4 years even if automotive news ends up being wrong.
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I did drive a 1995 Buick Regal for 21 years, sold it to a friend in 2016, and he still drives it. The BMW i3 was offered here at $45,000 (almost TWICE the original Regal price!), so it was a small and weak EV with a high price. So my comments are financially related.:|
As I posted, I have only seen two, and that was years ago. The Chevy Bolt EV may be a lesser quality BEV but I did see two here on our roads and I saw one up close. The Chevy Volt is also offered here but it is a small sedan.
I have not purchased an EV yet because I wish to replace my present 2009 Chevy Equinox with a domestic electric or hybrid CUV. My best candidate up to now is the 2020 Ford Explorer Hybrid. And that EV is bigger than the BMW with a lower price.
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Don't confuse platform with features. In my opinion, the Bolt EV's platform doesn't need to change because it's already ahead of its competition (many of which haven't even been released yet). In terms of design and engineering, the Bolt EV's chassis is on par with the Model 3's. GM figured out how to weld aluminum to steel. Who does that?
Now, the Bolt EV definitely needs to improve between now and 2022; however, the areas where the Bolt EV needs improvement and updates are in the battery, charging, driver assist features, and interior. None of those require a new platform.
The Bolt EV's closest competitors are between 200 and 400 lbs heavier despite having similar capacity batteries. If anything, the competitors will need an upgraded platform before GM.
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Hi News Coulomb. I do disagree with some of the points. I think they could improve MUCH of the current car on the current platform. I do wonder about 2 issues people have often complained about #1 . Poor narrow seats. #2 . "cheap looking styling that looks like a $15k hatchback". I just double check online and it says its on it's own platform but I swear I read elsewhere it shares some things with Aveo (a small economy hatchback). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Bolt . I honestly don't care if they use BEV 2 or BEV 3 platform as long as they continue to improve the product in key areas as You've talked about ; Battery, Charging speeds, Seats, Interior. I don't mind the styling.
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Nothing you said disagrees with what I stated. Where do you disagree?
But no, the Bolt EV is not based on the Aveo. At one point, the initial structural design might have been the same, but they've made a number of changes specific to the Bolt EV. That was actually one more engineering marvel that GM pulled off: the Bolt EV's chassis can use the same production line as the Sonic's (but that doesn't mean they are the same chassis).
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