Chevy Bolt EV Forum banner

1 - 20 of 24 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
919 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
This is a much different issue than I have ever had with any CCS DCFC I have used with the Bolt


FWIW I have never even seen every spot occupied at our local Tesla supercharger station
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
453 Posts
I looked around on Plugshare and it doesn't look like there's much CHAdeMO in the area either. So, only a few folks at a time could've been helped by the $450 CHAdeMO adapter if they brought one along.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
102 Posts
With the Cybertruck coming with free supercharger access and Tesla Model 3s (assuming they are willing to pay to use the supercharger) selling into the 48k+ already this year from another thread I read (#3 in California behind Honda Civic and Camry I think), there is definitely a charging problem during the holidays if you plan to travel and need a Supercharger at peak travel times...at least this Thanksgiving from those videos.

I've seen some other thread in Fremont? with the same problem.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,276 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,640 Posts
Well, at least the cars are now spewing pollution while waiting.
Dāmn that federal emissions override!! They weren't supposed to put it on the California cars, but I think Tesla may get federal toxic-emissions credits if they do.

[update]
@p7wang updated the post to:
Well, at least the cars are "not" spewing pollution while waiting.
Yes, that's right, “Tesla” is totally “not” installing the “federal emissions override” in “California”. “Californian Teslas” totally “don't” have a “secret” “hidden” “tailpipe”.

(“I don't even know anymore.”)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
375 Posts
Is this a Thanksgiving holiday travel charging situation?

Keith
This was indeed on Thanksgiving in San Luis Obispo, CA, as reported here: https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-main-problem-with-teslas-supercharger-network-1840110802. Since there were as many chargers (plugshare reports 20x120KW, although the checkins reported slower charge rates) as there were cars waiting, I imagine that the line probably kept moving reasonably quickly. One of the checkins reported the SC truck was there as well:

Tesla has a portable Supercharging truck available in addition to the permanent chargers for the Thanksgiving. Lots of Tesla’s charging but no waiting. Hats off to TESLA for accommodating the Holiday travelers!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
430 Posts
Wow! Thank goodness Tesla folks aren't using the third-party charging networks. I use the EvGO fast-charger twice in SLO this holiday weekend. No line and no wait.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,276 Posts
Wow! Thank goodness Tesla folks aren't using the third-party charging networks. I use the EvGO fast-charger twice in SLO this holiday weekend. No line and no wait.
Good point, I guess most do not have that $500 CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter. It's only a matter of time before a CCS to Tesla adapter comes out.

However, Tesla owners using non Tesla DCFC might actually be good news for non-Tesla EV owners... the more the DCFC station gets used, the more stations will be deployed. It's all supply and demand.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GetOffYourGas

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,766 Posts
I've been thinking of buying a CHAdeMO --> Tesla adapter and renting it out. Deposit would be 110% of a new one, and I'd rent it for $35/weekend, $70/wk. I'd probably break even after a year renting it to Tesla owners I know (many of who are M3 owners without free supercharging).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,640 Posts
Good point, I guess most do not have that $500 CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter.
The CHAdeMO adapter can only do 50 kW. Teslas can do 100–150 kW charging (although only 75 kW on a shared stall). In general, you're better waiting than driving over to a CHAdeMO charger where you'll pay more to charge slowly.

It's only a matter of time before a CCS to Tesla adapter comes out.
Maybe. I think only Tesla could make such a thing, and I think they'll only do that if they decide to switch their US network to CCS, which I think won't happen any time soon.

However, Tesla owners using non Tesla DCFC might actually be good news for non-Tesla EV owners... the more the DCFC station gets used, the more stations will be deployed. It's all supply and demand.
It'd cause a lot of pain before things got better. Non-Tesla EV owners would be pissed at Tesla owners hogging CCS stations when they could charge at their own chargers.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,640 Posts
Some day, if/when non-Tesla EV adoption takes off in the USA, this is our future, except worse. No one is going to be bringing mobile charging trailers to CCS sites. Tesla cares about Tesla-driver experience, and about doing cool stuff just 'cos. EA and EVgo don't have the same level of investment in customer satisfaction.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,569 Posts
While this scenario certainly exposes the Achilles heel of supercharging, I hope those less informed don't go away thinking this is typical or even common. It's an outlier situation that occurs rarely and for a small percentage of stations. All part of the growing pains which will over time become less and less of a black eye (hopefully).
These few locations should be prioritized with both V3 as well as the mobile megapack(s), ASAP.
As mentioned above though, it's interesting to imagine how investment in 3rd party DCFC's would be affected if they could show use data similar to the typical supercharger but I agree that it would be a rare instance where a Tesla owner would opt for the Chademo kiosk. They would have to be pretty desperate.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
430 Posts
Some day, if/when non-Tesla EV adoption takes off in the USA, this is our future, except worse. No one is going to be bringing mobile charging trailers to CCS sites. Tesla cares about Tesla-driver experience, and about doing cool stuff just 'cos. EA and EVgo don't have the same level of investment in customer satisfaction.
My hope is that by the time this happens, EVs will have range in the 450-500 mile area, at which point at lot of us can dispense with fast-charging entirely.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,640 Posts
My hope is that by the time this happens, EVs will have range in the 450-500 mile area, at which point at lot of us can dispense with fast-charging entirely.
We might get to 300 miles, maybe, but few cars will go much beyond that. The battery will still be an expensive part and there's little reason to make it twice as big as it really needs to be. They'll either use battery advances to make the car cheaper, or use them to make the car more lumbering and inefficient, 'cos that's how 'merkins like 'em.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
453 Posts
Two Bolt FB groups had this video posted of the lines at Kettleman City, CA (on I-5) over Thanksgiving.


More Teslas on the Road Meant Hours-Long Supercharger Lines Over Thanksgiving (which I learned of from TMC) also pointed to it. I don't know off the top of my head what the real wait time was but if it was only 30 minutes, I guess it's not so bad vs. how bad the lines look. Per https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/kettlemancitysupercharger, that location has 40 stalls. I don't know how long the wait was for folks in the back.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-kettleman-city-ca-live-15-nov-2017-with-lounge-24-v2-stalls-and-16-v3.94032/page-57#post-4253741 confirms 40 cars in line.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
282 Posts
So, to summarize the implied views of those who are gloating over the holiday travel misery of Tesla owners, "We are so much better off owning a Bolt/Leaf/Ioniq because our DCFC stations are never crowded. May the good Lord help us on the day that non-Tesla EV sales outstrip those of Tesla because while Kettleman City has 40 charging stalls, our typical EVgo/EA/ChargePoint/Greenlots sites have between 2 and 8 charging stalls."
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
102 Posts
Not going to gloat, but I read some Tesla charge locations during the Thanksgiving weekend had 3-4 hour charge wait times. Personally, as I mentioned in my one of my other post, that's just unacceptable on a trip for me.

Yes, it's Thanksgiving weekend travel time, but that's one of the selling points of the Tesla Supercharger network when someone actually needs to drive > 200 miles that 1-2% of the time a year.

We used an ICE during the holiday trip and stopped for gas/food/biobreak in < 10m each time. I know it's not for everyone, but I like going non-stop and as great as it is to shop, see some sites near a charge site, etc...most of the places you need to stop doesn't have much there (esp late at night like this video).
 
1 - 20 of 24 Posts
Top