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My friend was laughing on me and asked what if I would suddenly stop w/o battery charge in the middle of the road, what would I do.

I got it as a joke, but than realized - not quite.

Only option I see is to be towed to FastDC or other places to charge.

Any other options?
 

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My friend was laughing on me and asked what if I would suddenly stop w/o battery charge in the middle of the road, what would I do.
How exactly would this happen? You would have to have repeatedly ignored the car's warnings that the battery was running dangerously low.

How about these other no warning scenarios that drivers of fossil fuel vehicles might worry about.

You're driving along and without warning…
  • all the oil drains out of the engine (actually happened to me on the freeway!)
  • a large piece of debris hits the car (actually happened to me on the freeway!)
  • you suffer an alien attack
  • you suffer a panic attack
  • you suffer a heart attack
  • you suffer a shart attack
  • you're in an accident
  • you're in an accident, and can't get out of the vehicle
  • you're in an accident, and can't get out of the vehicle, and it's on fire
  • you're in an accident, and can't get out of the vehicle, and it's on fire, and you just bought gas
  • there's an earthquake
  • there's an earthquake and you're on an overpass
  • there's an earthquake and you're under an overpass
  • there's an earthquake and you're on an overpass under an overpass
  • there's an earthquake and you're on an overpass under an overpass, and its passover
and finally, every child's favorite ending and every adult's fear,

You're driving along and without warning…
  • you realize it was all a dream!
  • you realize none of it meant anything in the grand scheme of things!
Seems pretty easy to come up with scenarios to worry about. Hope that puts the whole “battery anxiety” thing in perspective.
 

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When the battery gets low and you get a warning, you just have to drive to a building (store, house, etc) and ask to plug in. No need to specifically look for a charging station. Much more flexible than gas or diesel cars. :)
 

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Flag down a pickup truck. Have him tow you while your Bolt is on and in L to get max regen. It will be just as if you were going down a long hill. After a few miles or 10, you might get enough charge to drive to the nearest charger.
 

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It's really no different as if someone ran out of gas (the car won't suddenly die and stop in the middle of the road if that's what your friend was thinking)...

Instead of roadside assistance giving you a few gallons, you get a tow. I'm sure for a lot of folks with an EV, we're all happy to not have to stop and fill up at a gas station every week now (instead, we fill up at home).
 

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Seems pretty easy to come up with scenarios to worry about. Hope that puts the whole “battery anxiety” thing in perspective.
Yes. I especially like this one...

You are driving along, as "suddenly" scientists tell you that you are destroying the only habitable planet within light years, and the solution is to park your car and walk.

Puts the whole “battery anxiety” thing in perspective, doesn't it? :(
 

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My friend asked me that: "What happens when the battery dies?". My response is the same when anyone asks me that "Same thing that happens when you run out of gas: the car stops. Now... how many times have you run out of gas?" In probably a half million miles in my lifetime, I've never run out of gas. Even IF you don't take it seriously and you do that once or twice, you kinda learn not to do that.

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This battery dying nonsense is just people projecting their own experience on an activity they've never done. Folks tend to map batteries to their cell phones. So the panic of an EV cutting out in the middle of the road is about the same as their cell phone cutting out in the middle of the day. Same thing with battery replacment. They've had to replace batteries on their phones, so won't they need to replace batteries on their EV?


But as already pointed out, someone would need to be oblivious and deliberate to run out an EV battery. First off like cell phones, typically one starts out each day full or nearly so. Second is that structurally most folks get EVs that take care of a large percentage of their daily needs. The combination of the two means that is rare for an EV to be at a low SOC which of course puts the driver on alert.

Then of course there's Plugshare. Most gas people don't think about charging locations becuase they don't charge cars. So they think that charging stations don't exist. We all know better and would have preplanned several charging options before heading out somewhere on a low SOC.

Honestly I cannot see how a Bolt owner would ever be worried about running out of charge. As a 500e owner with 75 miles of range, I rarely experience the situation. But 200+ miles? I believe that's a no worries virtually ever situation.

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Flag down a pickup truck. Have him tow you while your Bolt is on and in L to get max regen. It will be just as if you were going down a long hill. After a few miles or 10, you might get enough charge to drive to the nearest charger.
In most states it's very illegal to travel at the end of a tow strap. There are signs which order stranded drivers or fender-bender accidents to move to the shoulder, but don't say how this is to be accomplished.

It's really no different as if someone ran out of gas (the car won't suddenly die and stop in the middle of the road if that's what your friend was thinking)...
Actually, yes they can and will. Both BEVs and ICEs can have system failures which will cause them to without warning stop in the center of a six-lane freeway with traffic streaming by at 70 MPH. A friend's new $100,000 M-B did this to him twice. Thanks for his cell phone, he was able to sit there buckled in with warning flashers on until several intrepid CHPmen stopped traffic and pushed him to the shoulder and a tow truck came. He calculated each incident was more than $100,000 in indirect costs to us as taxpayers and insurance payers. His M-B dealership quietly bought it back without being sued under the lemon law. He now drives a Lincoln.

In probably a half million miles in my lifetime, I've never run out of gas. Even IF you don't take it seriously and you do that once or twice, you kinda learn not to do that.
There are enough numbnuts drivers that uncountable thousands will run out of gas every day. Because this happens so regularly, we as taxpayers subsidize the numbnuts by paying the costs for a standby service truck and crew to bring gas to them when they're stranded at major traffic choke points, such as bridges, tunnels and city cloverleafs.

you suffer a panic attack
For true, the same standby service truck crew is called when drivers have a panic attack and freeze up at the wheel on a major bridge or tunnel. These drivers know they're agoraphobic/claustrophobic/diabetic/narcoleptic/whatever, but put us all in harm's way every time they drive.

Being a State Trooper or service truck crew on urban freeways is one of the most hazardous occupations. Even when they can get out of traffic lanes, even with the eyeball searing flashers visible for a half-mile, they are still rear-ended and injured or killed.

Washington just passed a state law making it a citable offense to not yield the right-of-way by making a lane change or moving away from the lane or shoulder occupied by the stationary authorized emergency vehicle or police vehicle. The Emergency Zone Law was passed in the aftermath of growing numbers of police, emergency technicians, tow operators, and Department of Transportation workers being killed or struck during routine traffic stops, collision/accident response, impounding/ towing vehicles, and highway construction projects.

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I've seen a handful of EVs off on the shoulder of a road, presumably with a dead battery. Once was a gen 1 Nissan Leaf headed up Mt. Hood. Don't know what they were thinking. If it was a dead battery, they probably could have turned it around and coasted/regened enough to get to a charger. That's what I'd have done.

If I ran out of juice on the freeway (done it in the Prius once), I'd pull far onto the shoulder and have a friend provide enough of a tow/regen to get me to a charger. How many kW of regen is possible again? I imagine any car could provide the tow, and I'd modulate the regen if the car wasn't powerful enough.
 

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have a friend provide enough of a tow/regen to get me to a charger.
One more time, each state regulation varies, but in most states traveling at the end of a tow strap will get a citation. Here are some regulations:

1.Must have operating 4-way emergency flashers.
2.Must use an approved towing device such as a strap that
says "towing strap"
3.Must have sign that says "In Tow" placed in the center rear.
4.Braking system of towed vehicle must be functional.
5.Must be in farthest lane to right.
6.Insurance on front vehicle.
7. The motor vehicle shall not be so towed for a distance greater than is necessary to remove it from the lanes of traffic and to park it in a place where it will not obstruct traffic.

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This battery dying nonsense is just people projecting their own experience on an activity they've never done. Folks tend to map batteries to their cell phones. So the panic of an EV cutting out in the middle of the road is about the same as their cell phone cutting out in the middle of the day.
Maybe in your use case (and mine) where you don't go on trips. The only relevance of the phone comparison is that you're fine when you're able to plug in every night or so. Everyone can upvote that, but it's ignoring the elephant in the room.

If a cell phone runs out, you're not up sh*t creek. You plug it in just about anywhere, including in the car, then fill it quick while using it immediately, or you can bring a 10AH power brick to bridge days long gaps.

The EV is going to land you in hot water when you're dutifully using ABRP, discover the EA or other charger you found along highway 50 is out of order, you have 10% left, the next charger is 50 miles away and is also EA, and now your choices are to call for a tow, stay overnight at a motel with the 120V charger, or -- since those are terrible options -- just go for it and maybe end up in the middle of the road.

Same thing with battery replacment. They've had to replace batteries on their phones, so won't they need to replace batteries on their EV?
There is the small matter of the car battery costing 500x more and generating 1000lb of waste. That an expense comparable to an ICE vehicle having to replace the engine every 5 years (even that costs a lot less to do). The phone battery is 3.5% the cost of the phone, not 40%.
 

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Replacing an engine creates 500-600 lb of "waste" for an engine with similar performance. Add the more complex transmission to the equation (not to mention exhaust, driveshafts, differential, and other parts) and you're close to the weight of a battery. And judging from the performance of the Volt battery which is very similar in design, an EV battery should easily last 8+ years. And that's also ignoring the waste products in an ICE vehicle that you are spitting into the air constantly.

The reality is that any new technology needs the infrastructure behind it. That 960lb battery is not waste: much of it is already being recycled but like the days before catalytic converters, I'm sure the amount that is recycled will improve and there will likely be mandates that dictate how much must be recycled. And the charging infrastructure will fill in just like gas stations in the early days of the ICE. If I were in the situation above, I'd probably plug into a level 2 charger for a couple hours: enough to get me to the next DCFC. When I look at PlugShare, there are L2 chargers everywhere; I'm not out in the desert but at least near me they are peppered all over the map: in grocery store parking lots, the back of a McDonald's, strip malls, hospitals, doctor's offices, etc. I didn't believe it when I first used PlugShare. I know my area pretty well and thought "there's no charger there". So I drove to the location on the map and sure enough, PlugShare was right. At least where I've been, L2 chargers are more plentiful than gas stations.

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Love to see some links on that recycling... I've never seen any proof these lithium packs are getting 100% recycled or even 80 or 60. I know lead has a well established recycling path. Would make me feel good knowing lithium was the same.

As for the original post- you get towed just like a broken down ice. Or hydrogen or whatever, you get towed back to the dealer/garage. Tell him its nine bucks to fill up your tank, see what he thinks of that.

How often has this guy run out of gas? I don't get why this is even a concern, it happens so seldom you don't really need any other options than getting towed.
 

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I have another question to my fellow Bolters in the "Middle of the Road" topic. Has anyone has a flat on a Bolt yet? If so, how did you deal with it? Pray to heaven for a spare or a donut? Call the White House or the United Nations?
 

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My friend was laughing on me and asked what if I would suddenly stop w/o battery charge in the middle of the road, what would I do.
Sounds to me like psychological projection - if he's run out of gas at some point he just figures that it's something that happens to everyone. It isn't. Most of us don't set out on a 100 mile road with no services with only 50 miles of gas, and most of us look at the gas gauge every so often. Driving an electric car is no different.
 

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I have another question to my fellow Bolters in the "Middle of the Road" topic. Has anyone has a flat on a Bolt yet? If so, how did you deal with it? Pray to heaven for a spare or a donut? Call the White House or the United Nations?
Do a search on the forum for "spare tire" or some-such. This topic has already been discussed to death, and there are many options outlined there.
 
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