[GJETSON]

 

[Boltmobile]

If i understand the video correctly, the best way to increase EV range is to make billions. Duly noted.

 

[GJETSON]

If i understand the video correctly, the best way to increase EV range is to make billions. Duly noted.

Absolutely. Double your range, and get a possible tax break.

 

[Sean Nelson]

So true.
Accelerating an EV:
0 - 60 mph in 10 seconds, hit cruise.
0 - 60 mph in 60 seconds, hit cruise.

Is there any measurable difference in kWh consumption in a 1 mile trip?

There definitely is for a 1 mile trip because your average speed would be a lot lower in the second case than the first.

 

[GJETSON]

Amazing what smart engineering, and money, can do for efficiency, and 19.2 kW, V2L is thrown into the bargain, with hardly a mention.

 

[redpoint5]

Yeah, I had to listen to that one too after the other 2 excellent videos you linked. Not finding a whole lot else though in their channel worth the listen.

Seems silly higher voltages weren't standard from the get go. Perhaps those smaller capacity batteries were more difficult to get the number of cells required to get up to 800+ volts?

 

[Packard V8]

I also gladly pay for union made stuff. F_ck the capitalist pigs.

You and I are fighting a battle already lost. The hoards shopping at Walmart, Amazon, et al, can't grasp they're sending their jobs to China and putting themselves on the dole.

jack

 

[GJETSON]

Yeah, I had to listen to that one too after the other 2 excellent videos you linked. Not finding a whole lot else though in their channel worth the listen.

Seems silly higher voltages weren't standard from the get go. Perhaps those smaller capacity batteries were more difficult to get the number of cells required to get up to 800+ volts?

Not much else about a car of any interest to me. I don't care if I can get a Shiatsu massage, make fart sounds, or "almost" drive hands-free.

Not silly...not possible...without expensive development of very high power electronics. Many of these components didn't exist outside the military back when the Leaf came out. The original Leaf had a 96s2p, 192 cell pack, so it could easily have been double the voltage.

 

[GJETSON]

You and I are fighting a battle already lost. The hoards shopping at Walmart, Amazon, et al, can't grasp they're sending their jobs to China and putting themselves on the dole.

Without getting out in the streets, something which hadn't happened in many decades, workers didn't have a choice. Politicians had made the calculations, and realized they didn't need to cater to workers. Many understood what the busting of the air traffic controller union meant, back in the 1980s. How many were going to risk their good job, attempting a mass strike...until it was too late?

 

[Packard V8]

workers didn't have a choice.

You make much of choosing to buy union-made, but say workers had no choice but to shop at Walmart?

jack vines

PS - my father was a United Steelworker member for forty years. During those years it was a contest between the union and management as to who could do the most damage to the US steel industry. Plenty of poor decisions on both sides in that era.

jv

 

[GJETSON]

You make much of choosing to buy union-made, but say workers had no choice but to shop at Walmart?


PS - my father was a United Steelworker member for forty years. During those years it was a contest between the union and management as to who could do the most damage to the US steel industry. Plenty of poor decisions on both sides in that era.

People are designed by evolution to be more concerned about their short term advantage than long term. I buy union made, when it is the best product, or the only difference is price. I drove foreign cars my whole life, because they were better made, smaller, and or more efficient than the union-made farm machinery I grew up with.

I worked in small, non-union places because I wasn't willing to work in huge, soulless, corporations. My few experiences with unions showed they were ineffective, and corrupt too. I don't believe there is a good answer to humans living, and working, in groups larger than 80-100.

That said, for a brief period after the FDR years, circumstanced lead to the best times ever for white American workers.

 

[redpoint5]

As I've been saying elsewhere, collective bargaining can often be a net good thing. Where things become dysfunctional is when unions grow in power to the point that they exist only to increase their own influence at the expense of individuals and industry. A union isn't automatically a good thing or a bad thing; it depends on how it's run, the problems it addresses, and if it solves those problems while preserving the interests of the industry.

You and I are fighting a battle already lost. The hoards shopping at Walmart, Amazon, et al, can't grasp they're sending their jobs to China and putting themselves on the dole.

... and as a result the cost of practically all goods have plummeted. Consumers chose to purchase lower priced goods, and convenience, and the market responded. Little stands in the way of consumers to buy USA or elsewhere, except that isn't a priority to most people.

This is all going to be massively disrupted soon. Increasing automation will collapse much of the labor market and bring manufacturing back to where consumer demand is. Economies built on labor will need to figure something else out. Something like a UBI will become necessary as many more fall off the bottom rung of the jobs ladder. The cost of goods will also plummet.

Suicide rates will increase as people lose meaning, and the struggle of life becomes not in acquiring what is needed to merely live, but in finding purpose at all.

Where living is difficult, suicide rates are low. Look at Nigeria, Gambia, Uganda, Ethiopia suicide rates and compare them to comfortable places like the USA, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Norway...

Man lives not by bread alone. Our idiotic materialistic worldview has created a poverty of purpose. I don't know how to fix that problem. Politicians will suggest the solution is to provide free and easily accessible euthanasia, because like pharmaceutical companies, they have incentive to treat symptoms and not the disease.

 

[Packard V8]

When one can easily satisfy Maslow's Hierarcy of Needs and still can find no purpose:

Is That All There Is?
I remember when I was a little girl, our house caught on fire
I'll never forget the look on my father's face as he gathered me up
In his arms and raced through the
Burning building out on the pavement

And I stood there shivering in my pajamas
And watched the whole world go up in flames
And when it was all over I said to myself
Is that all there is to a fire?

Is that all there is, is that all there is?
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is

And when I was twelve years old
My daddy took me to the circus, the greatest show on Earth
There were clowns and elephants and dancing bears
And a beautiful lady in pink tights flew high above our heads

And as I sat there watching
I had the feeling that something was missing
I don't know what, but when it was over I said to myself
Is that all there is to the circus?

Is that all there is, is that all there is?
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is

And then I fell in love
With the most wonderful boy in the world
We'd take long walks by the river or
Just sit for hours gazing into each other's eyes
We were so very much in love
Then one day he went away and I thought I'd die, but I didn't
And when I didn't I said to myself
Is that all there is to love?

Is that all there is, is that all there is?
If that's all there is, my friends, then let's keep

I know what you must be saying to yourselves
If that's the way she feels about it why doesn't she just end it all?
Oh, no, not me, I'm not ready for that final disappointment
Because I know just as well as I'm standing here talking to you
That when that final moment comes and I'm
Breathing my last breath, I'll be saying to myself

Is that all there is, is that all there is?
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is

jack vines

 

[efbolt]

I took another round trip. This time from just NE of Louisville to NE of Cincinnati and back. Odometer registered 242.3 which matched Google Maps mileage.

Trip up was 60F with limited ac usage; trip back was 75F using ac most of the time. Crossclimate2 tires inflated about 40 psi cold.

Averaged 3.5 miles/kwh both ways. Nearly 80% interstate driving with significant time spent at 75+ mph. Most of the remaining drive was US highway so still going 55+ mph when possible.

Assuming 66 kwh battery capacity would mean roughly 231 miles of range total. Makes sense as I used just over 50% of my battery capacity on both legs of trip.

This is the first trip where I wasn't going "slow" for significant portions due to traffic or trying to extend range. Results were better than I expected.

 

[EV Trek 37604]

I forgot I posted my 5 over and under test in another thread, I don’t want a duplicate post.

Did a 5 over 5 under efficiency test today

I decided to test how much difference it makes in driving 5 over the speed limit and driving 5 under the speed limit. Using I-81 with a constant 70 mph speed limit I would be traveling a 57.9 mile loop for each leg. I started out with a 75% charge, set the climate on 73°F and fan on 1. The...

www.chevybolt.org

 

[Boltmobile]

Round trip: A-B-C-A 193 miles
ac on all the time
michelin pilot alpin 5 235/40R18, 40 psi cold
80% highway
Battery about 95% full (old battery getting my new one next week)
First half: 66F, 66 mph cruise on, 3.6 miles/kwh
DCFC: 35m, 15.8 kwh 44-72% battery
Second half (very windy): 72F, 53 mph cruise on, 3.7 miles/kwh
arrived with about 20% battery left or 38 miles remaining

 

[LCTROID]

Having driven on the German autobahns from 1968 to present day, my take is "Stupid Kills !!" Europeans have to graduate from professional driving schools to get a license. I always feel safer knowing those who are pushing their very expensive cars to the max on the very few still unlimited stretches are paying very close attention while hitting 180 MPH than when I'm in US traffic where high school girls are texting and glancing up every few seconds if that.

jack vines

YES, yes and absolutely THIS!
Thank you jack