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Is "A Better Routeplanner" Better? A Review for the Bolt

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Is "A Better Routeplanner" Better? A Review for the Bolt


There are four route planners I've used for planning trips in our Chevy Bolt. I've reported on my experience with EV Trip Planner, Green Race, and Chevy's own Energy Assist App. The first two are found on the web, the latter is available only as a smart phone app. The fourth is boldly titled A Better Routeplanner (ABRP) and it too is available with a web interface. They all work to a degree. The question is--for us non-Tesla drivers--what works best.
We were planning a trip to Death Valley National Park and like our trip to Yosemite from Bakersfield the trip is outside the range of the Bolt's 60 kWh battery pack. After I lamented on a forum that Green Race is no longer available, a poster suggested I try ABRP.
I hadn't been able to use ABRP before. When I first looked at it several months ago I couldn't get it to work for me. It felt clunky and the few estimates I could get it to project were off substantially from the other planners and my own experience. So I simply disregarded it.
While I consider myself a nerd, I sometimes feel I am fast falling behind in my nerdom, especially in the EV world. Talking about EVs with fellow drivers and tracking EV performance has put my technical skills to the test. I remember how elated I was when I got my OBD reader to work with Leaf Spy on our 2015 Leaf. Torque Pro for the Bolt raised the challenge to a whole new level. At one point I just gave up. Several weeks later I tried again and was successful. (See Tracking Chevy Bolt EV Battery Capacity.) Use of ABRP as a route planner falls into this category for me--it has features I am not sure I know how to use.
Nevertheless, I tried ABRP again. This time around I found the interface (version 3.5.2) easier to use--or at least easier for me to use. I then ran the numbers for our previous trips, comparing ABRP's performance with the other estimators. And I ran the numbers for our upcoming trip to Death Valley.



Death Valley Route Estimates

Our preferred route to Death Valley from Bakersfield is through the Kern River Canyon over Walker Pass to Ridgecrest. From there we drive through the scenic wonderland that is Trona over the Slate Range down into the Panamint Valley. We then climb up the Panamint Mountains, crossing them at Towne Pass before descending into Death Valley. Our destination is below sea level at Furnace Creek Ranch. (Our eventual trip was successful, and we made it without resorting to a tow truck. However, the return trip did not go as planned or described below.)
The estimates by ABRP for Bakersfield to Ridgecrest via Weldon were consistent with Chevy's Energy Assist App and with our actual experience driving the Bolt: 56% charge remaining for a consumption of 26.4 kWh.




The return, Ridgecrest to Bakersfield via Weldon, ABRP estimated 64% remaining or a consumption of 21.6 kWh. This was only slightly less than that estimated by the Chevy app and equivalent to our actual experience.
So far, so good.
However, ABRP's estimates for the leg from Ridgecrest to Furnace Creek differed substantially from EV Trip Planner and Chevy's Energy Assist App. The difference--from 5 to 10 kWh--is enough to leave you stranded by the side a very desolate road well out of mobile phone range. It's an EV driver's nightmare.
According to ABRP we could drive the entire distance from Bakersfield to Furnace Creek--some 230 miles--and arrive with about 10% charge remaining. Intuitively, this just didn't seem right as the route takes you over three mountain passes. (The Bolt's official range on level terrain is 238 miles.)
Initially, ABRP's map showed the first leg from Bakersfield to Weldon in red. What does that mean, I wondered? It's not explained on the help screen. In all the other routes I entered, none were in red.
So I contacted the web site's creators. They quickly responded that the application determined I should drive below the posted speed limit on the red segment to reach my destination. To check the estimates driving at the posted speed limits, they said to go into settings and under maximum speed, uncheck a setting labeled "Slower if Needed."
I did, and all the route segments then appeared in blue. This didn't change the estimate much at all. It reduced the capacity remaining after driving from Bakersfield to Furnace Creek by 1%. That still seemed to be too high.
As a result, I decided to compare ABRP's estimates with some of our past trips in the Bolt to see how it stacks up to real-world performance and then compare the estimator to our actual experience driving to Death Valley. I've posted these trip summaries on a separate page. See EV Trip Planners and Trip Summaries with Chevy Bolt.



Interface

Overall, ABRP's interface has a much more pleasing appearance than either EV Trip Planner or Green Race.
ABRP uses OpenStreetMap and MapBox rather than the all pervasive Google Maps, but the mapping function was quick and generally accurate with some quirks. (Green Race ran into problems using Google Maps and is now defunct.) The map doesn't work the same way as Google Maps to reroute a trip. ABRP requires the user to type in waypoints or to click on a map segment to select a waypoint to redirect the route. (In Google Maps you can drag a route segment to where you want to go.) But once this quirk is mastered, ABRP's mapping interface is quick and easy to use.



The entry of waypoint data was easier in ABRP than either Green Race or Chevy's Energy Assist app and ABRP was faster to suggest waypoints to select than either.
However, ABRP at first could not locate a remote campground in the Sequoia National Forest above Kernville that we've visited in the Bolt. Both EV Trip Planner and Chevy's Energy Assist could find Horse Meadow with some fine tuning. So I stuck with it and tried ABRP again and was ultimately successful locating Horse Meadow. (There are a lot of Horse Meadows in the United States.)
ABRP's route map and the way it displays the route is much more visually appealing than EV Trip Planner. ABRP's default is a shaded topographic view versus that of the map view in EV Trip Planner. The topographic view is easier to digest than Google's satellite view that's available in EV Trip Planner.



Results Screen

ABRP gives results only in the percentage of battery capacity remaining, not in kWh required. This function is similar to Chevy's Energy Assist, but it differs from EV Trip Planner and Green Race that report in kWh. This necessitates some calculation if, like me, what you're after is kWh needed for a particular trip segment. It would be helpful if ABRP's designers included the value for kWh used in the results overlay in addition to the capacity remaining. This shouldn't require much tweaking.





Use Brings Familiarity

As noted, when I first tried to use the planner, I had difficulty making it work for me. As I tried it again I continued to have issues and felt that ABRP's interface was sometimes glitchy. It was nowhere near as bad as Chevy's Energy Assist app, but the occasional glitches were confounding.
For example, there's a "graph" function but I couldn't determine what it's used for. At first I thought it was the change in elevation along the route as in Green Race's elevation chart. This is a really useful feature of Green Race. (I've also found the PlugShare elevation chart useful as well.) After more use I determined that ABRP's graph displays how fast your charge declines along the route.





Regular ABRP users will no doubt quickly point out how to use the graph function, but as a newby I was dumbfounded. If you click on a route segment, ABRP will show a graph of elevation and the remaining capacity at that point. For example, I clicked on Walker Pass and ABRP shows a chart of the 5,300 foot summit with 60% battery capacity remaining, or 40% consumed at that point. This feature could be helpful in tracking your consumption on a long trip to see if your actual consumption follows the route plan.
Eventually I stumbled on how this feature was intended to be used and therein was a lesson. The more I worked with ABRP, the better it worked for me.



Mapping Limitations

Each route planner has its limitations when mapping a route. For example, ABRP just couldn't map the preferred route to I-5 from the north side of Bakersfield. This is a very common route for people in Bakersfield. We wouldn't normally use it ourselves, but I had a meeting on the north side and it made sense to leave from the meeting for a trip to Santa Cruz via I-5.
I suspect that what threw off ABRP is that the junction of 7th Standard Road with I-5 is not a standard cloverleaf.
EV Trip Planner had no problem with this. It gave me this route on the first attempt. However, I gave up trying to get it right in ABRP. It wanted to take me south to a more conventional interchange. I tried a string of waypoints along the route and ABRP still failed to get me directly on I-5, adding nearly 10 miles in backtracking.



Comparison

In general I found ABRP as accurate, if not more so, than Chevy's Energy Assist, though ABRP wasn't consistently more accurate. At times ABRP was off by 10% or more from actual experience and from the Chevy app.
I could not find any reason for the inconsistency between ABRP and the other estimators. I tried routes with freeway driving, and I tried routes with steep mountain roads. There didn't seem to be a pattern.
None of my comparisons reassured me that ABRP's estimate of the capacity needed for a trip to Death Valley and return was more accurate than that of Chevy's app.
So we decided to drive to Death Valley with a two-hour Level 2 charge stop in Ridgecrest at Alan and Marlies Kirk's. That would give us 10-14 kWh and bring us into Furnace Creek with 20% SOC remaining. We planned to repeat that on the return.
There are no charge stations in Ridgecrest. In fact there are none till you get to Furnace Creek. Alan and Marlies Kirk are two of the few EV drivers in Ridgecrest. They are the only drivers to post their residential station to PlugShare. That's it until Furnace Creek, 120 miles of open desert, much without cell phone service.



Drive and Follow-up in Car

If you use ABRP with a cell phone and an OBD reader, you can Login in to ABRP with your cell phone. This allows ABRP to glean data from your OBD reader. ABRP then will show you your state-of-charge and calculate your reference consumption. This feature shares data anonymously with ABRP, which the designers then use to tweak the software.





When everything is in sync--and working properly--ABRP will show a graphical representation of how well you're doing relative to the route plan. I couldn't get this to work for me, or it may have been that I couldn't easily interpret the results while I was driving. In either case, I wasn't able to take advantage of this feature on the trip to Death Valley. Others may be more successful getting this feature to work for them.



ABRP Forum

To my knowledge, ABRP is the only estimator that has a forum where users can ask questions, comment, and make suggestions to the designers on how to improve the program. The program's designers participate in the forum, so you can correspond with the people who can adapt the software based on your feedback.
I also found the designers, especially, Jason Rapp, responsive to my queries when something didn't work the way I thought it should. Rapp had to hold my hand a few times to get the Drive and Follow-up feature functioning.



To Summarize

I've given up on using the Chevy app. It's just too unreliable. It worked well for a while. Now it works sometimes, but mostly it doesn't. Green Race is out. EV Trip Planner still doesn't include a model for the Chevy Bolt and it hasn't seen any improvements since its designer went off to study at Stanford. That leaves A Better Routeplanner. For those of us not driving a Tesla with its internal mapping features, ABRP is--as it claims--a better route planner and has become my go to choice for route planning.
Oh, that trip to Death Valley? ABRP was right after all, beating out EV Trip Planner and Chevy's Energy Assist app. We could have made it the entire distance on one charge with about 6 kWh to spare, certainly more than enough for Eric "1%" Way of News Coulomb fame.



 
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#2 ·
Wow ! What a review. And what a trip to take with the Bolt ! You certainly got me interested in ABRP. We have two Bolts, and are reluctant to take them out of home recharge range yet. I'm going to look into ABRP more, as it seems to have great potential. Making long trips feasible with a non-Tesla vehicle is the key to expanding the Bolts acceptance and success.
 
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Thanks John. That was a lot of work and took some time to put together.


Could you post your location on your identification. We can then tell if we know others who have taken long, multi-DCFC charge stop, trips in your area.



At least here in California, the Bolt is suitable for full-day trips. (See Eric Way's News Coulomb videos.) Of course there's a chunk of the state not yet served by DCFC stations and that's why we keep harping on the state and the network operators to get stations in where we need them. It's happening way too slowly.


Paul
 
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In some ways I agree, in some ways not.

We just took a trip where I left the Bolt home and took our second car, a 2010 Golf TDI which was the Bolt's predecessor as our daily drive.

We took the Golf because the charging infrastructure wasn't worry-free enough, but I think that's a fairly short term thing.

Even with 550 miles of range on the Golf, I found myself keeping an eye on the remaining range because with less than half a tank I drove some fairly long stretches (more than 100 miles) without a gas station along the route.

I also spent a fair amount of time on trip planning because I like to try to avoid traffic and enjoy driving backroads. I also spent some time looking online for refueling stops (using GasBuddy rather than PlugShare), because doing so saved me 40 cents a gallon, or about $5.00 overall, while still filling with name-brand diesel.

Overall, my conclusion was that although it was okay driving the Golf, next time I do this trip I'll take the Bolt.
 
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In my many trips to and from Vegas, I have found that the fastest and most efficient route in and out of Bakersfield is a bit counter-intuitive, but it is probably still faster even from north Bakersfield. The westbound route:


From 58, take Mohawk St. about a mile west of 99 south for about a mile to the Westlake Parkway, which runs into Stockdale Highway, which is a shorter, faster shot to I-5.
 
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Wow, I didn't know that was planned. I only saw what looked like a bypass being built parallel to the 2-lane part around where it crossed 395, which will know 5-20 minutes off that section like it did around Hinkley. But there's a dearth of DCFC between Bakersfield & Vegas. Tehachapi, Mojave, North Edwards, Kramer Junction, and Barstow would all be good candidates. Also Midway and Primm along I-15.
 
#14 ·
If I could trust ABRP to not direct me to a CHAdeMO plug for charging (first trip I ever tried to plan with it directed me to a CHAdeMO station) I would give it a real world shot, but since I can't get that I just use plugshare and plan my own route.
PlugShare is often the best source we have, but is still terrible. PlugShare will happily show you a dealership with only one 25 kW charger that you can't actually use.
 
#17 ·
Last night used ABRP for the first time. Was taking the Bolt over a mountain pass with part of the route doing 75 mph to a town 70 miles away. All highway. Was a little nervous with no charging available anywhere on the route. ABRP estimated the 138 mile trip would take the full battery to 27%. Actually drove 154 miles total and used 45kWh. ABRP pretty much nailed it. Had 4 bars left when we got home.
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#21 ·
Agreed. I manually chose my stations as well. For long trips I create a spreadsheet with likely stations and the energy in kWh and % needed to get to the next station with a 20% margin. It sometimes goes out the window if we're both feeling like we need a stop sooner. . .

Paul
 
#24 ·
I manually choose my charging station(s) as well, forcing ABRP to use the routes I want to take vs. the suggested ones. I also have a spreadsheet with all the DCFC along the way giving me a plan B. I can use Plugshare to find backup chargers on my phone but a printed spreadsheet has the advantage of never losing connection to a satellite.
 
#25 ·
A Better Routeplanner Interview





Flamboyant Dutch personality Vincent Everts interviews Jason Rapp at the Fully Charged Event in Austin, Texas., Jason is the American side of the duo that developed A Better Routeplanner (ABRP). Everts explores why Jason and his partner Bo developed the route planner and what makes them different from all the others. See Why Abetterrouterplanner is much better. How did Jason make it, future plans, business model & more.





Jason is an avionics specialist with mission control on the International Space Station. He's clearly no slouch. ABRP is his side gig. Jason drives a Bolt, but the planner was originally developed for Tesla users in Sweden by Bo. Unlike some other planners, ABRP has data for Chevy's Bolt as well as other non-Tesla vehicles.


See also Is "A Better Routeplanner" Better? A Review for the Bolt.

Paul
 
#28 ·
Tom,

You log on with your cell phone and activate a special link on their web site. I think that's done through Torque Pro. Then the data is read from the OBD thingy via Torque Pro. I am bit fuzzy on that now. I did it once or twice and had issues. Jason was very helpful, actually walked me through it. I did get it to work and he's told me that they should have some improvements soon to make it less nerdy.

As others have noted. I use the planning features, but created my own charging spreadsheet. The network here in central California is just not reliable or extensive enough to rely on their choice of stations.

Paul
 
#27 ·
While I don't trust automated systems to make charging decisions for me (yet) without some checking, what these guys have done is pretty amazing. I hope they keep up the great work and manage to make some money off ABRP. I hope one or more BEV manufacturer will get on board with some funding support to make ABRP a one-stop-shop.

Of course, if we had more, and more reliable charging stations, the absolute accuracy of the output wouldn't be quite so critical.
 
#32 ·
OK. I have played with ABRP on my computer for weeks, and it is really neat. So this evening I downloaded it onto my phone from the Google Play Store because I really want to try it hooked to my OBD II. Took a minute to load, and it comes up looking about like on the computer. When I tap on the my location box, and the keyboard pops up, I get about three digits of our address typed in before it says it stopped working. I have tried uninstalling, and reinstalling the app to no avail. I can see the map with our house on it, I can set up our car in settings. But as soon as I attempt to enter a location, it crashes. I sent an problem email from the app to the developer. Hopefully he will have some advice. I can't wait until computers are aware, so I can just scream at it, and threaten it with a hammer to do what I want. :)
 
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