[Martin D]

Mine is 4 months old with 12k miles and I don't drive for anyone. I'll be out of bumper-to-bumper warranty in 8 months.

You will be hitting the 300k mark in 8 years if you keep up the pace 😀

Right now the oldest Bolts are from the beginning of 2017, so they are exactly 5 years old. With your 36k/yr pace, they will be hitting 300k in 3 years.

Someone would have to average 60k miles/year to just now reach 300k. I am not saying that can’t be done because I did exactly that for several years, but I will send my best to whoever is doing that mileage now and hope that their hemorrhoids aren’t acting up during the holidays 😝

 

[GJETSON]

Right now the oldest Bolts are from the beginning of 2017, so they are exactly 5 years old.

Huh? You are off by a year. Our Bolt was built in December of 2016. There were 579 sold that month. We bought it when it was six months old.

 

[MichBolt]

...
Someone would have to average 60k miles/year to just now reach 300k...

That translates to about 230 miles per weekday. That's the extreme edge of the 2017 Bolt's nominal range, so we're limited to warm weather Bolt owners willing to drive 60 mph on their 230 mile daily commute without any elevation changes, headwinds, or rain.

 

[Martin D]

Huh? You are off by a year. Our Bolt was built in December of 2016. There were 579 sold that month. We bought it when it was six months old.

Forgot how to count (or is it another “senior moment?” Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Martin D]

That translates to about 230 miles per weekday. That's the extreme edge of the 2017 Bolt's nominal range, so we're limited to warm weather Bolt owners willing to drive 60 mph on their 230 mile daily commute without any elevation changes, headwinds, or rain.

I wore out a 2000 F-150 in 5 1/2 years, asking my employer to put it out to pasture with 369k miles on the odometer in 2006. That truck was awesome for having next to zero things needing to be replaced, but it was going through a quart of oil in 500 miles, so I was being nickel and dimed to death because the company gas cards were restricted to fuel only. I was adding oil every other day at best. Sometimes it was every day. I am SO glad I don’t do that anymore. I felt like I had a target on me for sheer odds of getting involved in an accident, and it permanently destroyed me to this day for yelling at every potential for some idiot on the road who isn’t paying attention.

It drives my wife crazy, but it’s an auto-response that I will probably never get past.

I absolutely earned my wage and overtime for all that, and I knew that I would never make it as a professional class A driver. Those guys are the Superman of drivers 🤔

 

[liresong]

By what logic would one make that assumption? The average annual mileage is 13,500.

Even average western US owners drive a lot more than average eastern US owners. I’m not talking about average, but those drivers using their EVs a lot! It‘s also easy to see, lots of drivers treat their EVs as poorly(more poorly?) as they treat their past ICE vehicles. Yeah, lots of EVs aren’t getting to their possible long lives, because drivers treat them poorly.

 

[Sean Nelson]

...I slow immediately; the car behind me changes lanes, passes and continues at speed up to the stopped traffic and brakes hard. I ease up beside him/her/they as the light changes and we pull away at the same time.

...or the light has already changed and you don't need to stop at all.

When you slow down well in advance of the stop you're increasing the chance that the light will turn green by the time you get there. Not having to stop at all is even better than the benefit you get from coasting to a stop.

On the routes that I drive regularly I have gotten used to the timing of the traffic lights and when traffic permits I drive at a speed that lets me sail through them without stopping. It doesn't work all the time, but when it does it's sweet.

And on unfamiliar routes I'm in the habit of being aware of the state of traffic lights well ahead of me. If one has just turned red that's a signal to slow down so as to give it time to complete the phase for the cross traffic before I get there. Pedestrians crossing the street can be a kind of "progress bar" that suggests how long the light has been red. And being aware of the "packs" of oncoming cars and their distance from the intersection gives you information about how long ago the light turned red. All of that information helps you to judge whether slowing down or speeding up is likely to help you hit the next green light phase.

 

[VoltoBolt]

Yes, there are lunatic fringe outliers with families driving Uber 24/7, but lots of them above 300,000?

Excuse me: lunatic fringe outliers?!?

Actually GM originally leased Bolt EVs to ride share drivers under their Maven program, but for some reason cancelled it after only a few years.

It included free DCFC charging at their branded chargers. My local Union 76 had about 5 Maven DCFCs in addition to the 5 EVGos at that station and they finally got around to converting all of the Maven DCFCs to EVGos.

 

[atc98092]

Drawing energy OUT of the battery while at 60MPH in L or D, AND then adding that same energy BACK INTO the battery while slowing & regenerating is a terrible thing to do.

What are you talking about? Batteries are designed to be charged and discharged. Recuperating otherwise lost energy via regeneration is a smart thing to do. You only damage a battery by charging or discharging at rates higher than designed for.

You have two options to slow/stop. Either coast an incredible distance, gradually losing your momentum as gravity does its thing, or apply friction brakes to slow at a more reasonable distance, which discards energy as heat. Using regen in place of the friction brakes allows driving in an acceptable way, without impeding the traffic flow, recover a significant amount of energy that can be used again, and reduces wear on the physical brakes, which saves money, reduces particulate emissions, and makes the parts last far longer.

 

[liresong]

Batteries are designed to be charged and discharged. Recuperating otherwise lost energy via regeneration is a smart thing to do. You only damage a battery by charging or discharging at rates higher than designed for.

Then you should continue unnecessarily discharging your baby technology battery pack & then unnecessarily charging your baby technology battery pack, every time it would be best just to put it in Neutral & coast down. I’ve seen the regenerating reading exceed 50kWs when in L & regenerating. That’s NOT the way to get 300,000 miles on your battery pack. As for me, I’ll use Neutral & give my baby technology battery pack a break every time I can.

 

[atc98092]

I've seen over 70kW on regen, and 150kW at full throttle. The battery and associated electronics are designed for it. I seriously doubt the charge/recharge that happens from regen will have any measurable impact on the battery's overall life

 

[Zapster]

I’ll use Neutral & giving my baby technology battery pack a break every time I can.

I might suggest worrying less about the battery's life and more about one's own.

 

[Martin D]

Then you should continue unnecessarily discharging your baby technology battery pack & then unnecessarily charging your baby technology battery pack, every time it would be best just to put it in Neutral & coast down. I’ve seen the regenerating reading exceed 50kWs when in L & regenerating. That’s NOT the way to get 300,000 miles on your battery pack. As for me, I’ll use Neutral & give my baby technology battery pack a break every time I can.

Are you feeling ok? I am asking because you are so far off the reservation with your concepts about what is going to happen in your thoughts about how to get to 300k miles…

And you are not going to exactly be the popular guy for anyone who is behind you driving like that (coasting). A car will coast for a long distance. But the other drivers are interested in you driving like they do; cruise at a given speed, and stay there until it’s time to slow down using brakes or regen in an EV.

I will never forget the gen1 Honda Insight driver who hypermiled every single day over CA 17 Santa Cruz Highway and going about 35 mph on the uphill while coasting on the downhill and passing some of the drivers who were pulling their hair out while they were stuck behind this idiot. They would then get mad and purposely swerve at him to give him the idea of either driving like everyone else or he just might get run off the road in his tiny little car.

Lost in a little world in which the other cars on the road is extremely dangerous for everyone. I truly hope that you don’t drive like that guy while you are “ coasting” because there is a place where it is ok and a lot more places where it is going to get you or others in an accident.

 

[BoltEUV]

You will be hitting the 300k mark in 8 years if you keep up the pace 😀

Right now the oldest Bolts are from the beginning of 2017, so they are exactly 5 years old. With your 36k/yr pace, they will be hitting 300k in 3 years.

Someone would have to average 60k miles/year to just now reach 300k. I am not saying that can’t be done because I did exactly that for several years, but I will send my best to whoever is doing that mileage now and hope that their hemorrhoids aren’t acting up during the holidays 😝

I drive a lot more than I drove my ICE vehicles. I used to combine trips and choose the most economical route. Now I drive just for the fun of it. Going back and forth to the store is enjoyable. I drive to the car wash twice a week to keep it spotless. I drive efficiently so I can waste energy in some other ways.

 

[Martin D]

When I coast, no one is backing up behind me, as you imply. Many people hypermile much more than I do. Martin D’s doctor attitude & worse, his use of Native Tribes scenio to disparage others is the worst way to support his own arguments. Something is making batteries disfunction. Treating an EV battery like its an ICE V-8 is NOT the way to get 300K out of the pack.

Ok, you win . I am just trying to let you know that the battery lasting for 300,000 miles is not having anything to do with regeneration going back into the battery as lowering the lifetime by any appreciable amount.

And I am glad that you only coast to a stop when you are the only person on the road. That must mean you aren’t very happy when other people areon the road which is most of the time for most of us. I don’t know what it’s like to drive in low populated states.

 

[Packard V8]

Something is making batteries disfunction.

And your reference for this is?

In almost six years here, the percentage of Bolt battery "disfunction" is lower than the engine failures on any ICE forum I've been on since the internet was a thing.

jack vines

 

[liresong]

…..Ok, you win . I am just trying to let you know……you aren’t very happy……

Since I’m a member of the Snohomish Tribe, [mod removed] So, I didn’t win.

 

[liresong]

And your reference for this is?

I’m so happy that you mention how deliriously content GM, Hyundai & LG are about battery pack functions in Chevy Bolt AND Hyundai EVs……& why Consumer Reports has changed its evaluations about Bolts.

 

[skimask]

Somebody played a card.

 

[SteveWilson1983]

Since I’m a member of the Snohomish Tribe, [mod edited] So, I didn’t win.

Oh come on, that's getting a bit silly. That phrase is said to ppl of every race, and it's not even derogatory towards natives. It means, according to google, "to break with one's group".