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That doesn't bother me, I wouldn't have wanted that option even if available.
Agreed, computer vision technology is still evolving. Check out the LIDAR story from CES on Jalopnik right now!
 
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Agreed, computer vision technology is still evolving. Check out the LIDAR story from CES on Jalopnik right now!
We are a lot farther off than any of these companies would like us to believe. I have friends who work at a few of the places working on this tech (I'm a computer programmer myself) and I talk with them often about their progress and how far there is really left to go. They rave about now well they are doing as it concerns accident avoidance, semi-autonomous style driving and simple tasks (parking, lane keeping, lane changing), which they are making great progress on those fronts. When it comes to true self driving though, no one I know working on it thinks it actually happens (reliable system) in the next 10 years. From working on AI/ML stuff myself (albeit simpler stuff than driving) I certainly believe what they are telling me.
 

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Good Luck buying private. The only sites that I could find that covers this (somewhat) is Craig’s list and OfferUp. The filtering and sorting on the major auto sales sites does not work to allow a good look at private sales without scrolling thru a bunch of other adds. Even autotrader which used to publish a magazine with lots of private sales has gone the way of the other sites.
On Autotrader it is easy to filter cars by private seller vs dealer. What is impossible is to not show delivery sellers like carvanna. You can filter out those sellers on AutoTempest.
 

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On Autotrader it is easy to filter cars by private seller vs dealer. What is impossible is to not show delivery sellers like carvanna. You can filter out those sellers on AutoTempest.
I Get 2 private sales within about 2500 miles. From auto trader 1from autotempest which refers to Craig’s list.
Looks like the link did not work.

Maybe it’s cause it’s so easy to sell your car to dealers that a lot less try private sales. I just recall autotrader mag being filled with private sales. Pages.
And Bolt owners may be even less likely than others

 

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What would you do? Would you give up Super Cruise just to have the swap completed sooner? My gut tells me to wait, but who knows when they will restart the Bolt production line? I also heard rumors that the vehicles they are offering now don't have heated seats or steering wheel due to the chip shortage, does anyone have any confirmation on that?

What do the experts here think?
 

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What would you do? Would you give up Super Cruise just to have the swap completed sooner? My gut tells me to wait, but who knows when they will restart the Bolt production line? I also heard rumors that the vehicles they are offering now don't have heated seats or steering wheel due to the chip shortage, does anyone have any confirmation on that?

What do the experts here think?
The only reason I would want super cruise is for potential resale value. It is not Full Self Driving and has very limited use to me. I "Might" be able to use it 2 or 3 times a year. Unless you know for a fact that you will use Super Cruise on a regular basis and that you have tried and used it before and you are OK with paying a subscription fee after the "trial" expires, I would take what they have now.

I have BEV on order. If they offered me an BEUV I might take it.
 

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What would you do? Would you give up Super Cruise just to have the swap completed sooner? My gut tells me to wait, but who knows when they will restart the Bolt production line? I also heard rumors that the vehicles they are offering now don't have heated seats or steering wheel due to the chip shortage, does anyone have any confirmation on that?

What do the experts here think?
Personally I am still concerned with your car becoming battery eligible before your ordered car has a VIN and the transaction being cancelled. For that reason I would go with a Nov Bolt.
 

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Personally I am still concerned with your car becoming battery eligible before your ordered car has a VIN and the transaction being cancelled. For that reason I would go with a Nov Bolt.
I don't know if that will affect it or not. My Bolt is battery eligible, I got the battery eligible call the day before I got the call about the MSRP swap. There doesn't seem to be any real rhyme or reason to how this is all handled. Since each part seems to be handled by different teams I suspect they are so overwhelmed they can't maintain effective communication and syncing.

I'd go ahead and get the battery to put this all behind me but since I got the swap call I figured I'd see what their offer is before I do it, if I can get into a 2022 Bolt with little/low cash it would be a nice upgrade of my 2017 in terms of overall car longevity.
 

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Putting my work hat on, I sincerely doubt they're going to agree to an MSRP swap then reneg on it. Remember they're looking to get this squared away legally and with as little drama as possible. They're not going to look at 150,000 cases and say, "well we have 145,000 solved but there's 5,000 where now that we look at it, doesn't make sense to go through with the deal and we can save LG 2.5% ($50 million of their $2 billion, $10,000 loss per case guestimated) if we just drag it out for another few months and risk more headlines."

I'd order whatever he heck you want, get it in writing and wait. That's just me though and while I'm around these decisions at times, I don't get to make them, I'm creative drone.
 

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What would you do? Would you give up Super Cruise just to have the swap completed sooner? My gut tells me to wait, but who knows when they will restart the Bolt production line? I also heard rumors that the vehicles they are offering now don't have heated seats or steering wheel due to the chip shortage, does anyone have any confirmation on that?

What do the experts here think?
I am no expert....just an EUV owner. Awesome little car and very happy with it.
The Super Cruise wasn't available due to chip shortages back in July and the premier with sun and sound happed to be in stock so we went for it.
You guys are likely more tech savvy than me but I saw zero value in the Super Cruise...don't mean any offense but just sounds like a novelty to me and another subscription....not to mention another $2500 plus tax.
I enjoy driving and am very capable at this point...maybe when I get to a certain age some sort of assistance will be a nice feature?
For now, When I don't feel like driving I take the train, I can fully enjoy the scenery and they bring me beer and a meal.
Anyway, off topic but back to the point, the EUV as you described is more than functional and reasonably comfortable for medium range trips so I think you'll be pleased.
 

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I'd order whatever he heck you want, get it in writing and wait
That's the thing they won't put anything in writing without a VIN, that's my concern with waiting months for new Bolt production, if it does start in Feb then no worries.
 

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That's the thing they won't put anything in writing without a VIN, that's my concern with waiting months for new Bolt production, if it does start in Feb then no worries.
That's a fair point but if you have in writing that they're swapping your defective fire hazard Bolt for MSRP value for a GM product I'm confident you will get said value. Beyond that, who knows, they could close down the Bolt line permanently tomorrow and change anything.

I'm just saying they're not going to pull away and offer something of less value en masse unless there's a huge incentive to do so and with LG footing the bill, it'd have to be something unrelated shifting in say production to kill what they're offering you. Also, they've opened up the factory for a few thousand Bolt run, I'd have to assume they can and will do that again if push comes to shove.

If the time comes and I can't get a Bolt I'll get the best re-selling GM vehicle, likley a Silverado and just trade it in for another EV. I'm down for another Bolt, I'm not down for any other car in GM's lineup. I feel like that's a pretty good fail-safe valve as people are getting near MSRP for trades.
 

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If the time comes and I can't get a Bolt I'll get the best re-selling GM vehicle, likley a Silverado and just trade it in for another EV.
This is where I am at. Getting the truck then ordering a new Bolt or going for a used one.
 

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My ‘19 is getting a battery right now, but I still want the Trade Repurchase because it just makes fiscal sense. The 3 year b-2-b warranty on my ‘19 runs out in two months, but I can trade for a ‘22 BEV without much if any additional money. I could have gone for the BEUV, but while I would like to have a sunroof (and roof rails like I have now), the super cruise is not enough of an improvement over adaptive cruise control to me.

I recommend going with the Trade Repurchase program!
 

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My ‘19 is getting a battery right now, but I still want the Trade Repurchase because it just makes fiscal sense. The 3 year b-2-b warranty on my ‘19 runs out in two months, but I can trade
It will be interesting to see if they let you do the swap and the battery change.
When given the choices I and others here interpreted a OR between each choice not a AND. But it was a verbal not written.
Pls let us know
 

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This is where I am at. Getting the truck then ordering a new Bolt or going for a used one.
I thought about going for a Trail Blazer or a truck (neither do I want) for my trade. But I have a fairly long standing order for a 22 BEV lt2 and I for one, want the car on order, and 2nd, don't want to have the bad carma of just blatantly and overly taking too much. ( I feel bad enough)
If I get the 22 that is on order I will be ecstatic with joy. If it just ends in a new battery for my 21 I will be a bit let down now that I have been led down this long trail of when will I be done!
 

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Are you guys saying you can get a battery swap and also get the trade deal as an option? Also, why have I not received any calls or information about this except from this board? GM ugh
 

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I just got a call from GM telling me that a software update was available for my 2020 Bolt EV LT. They then said that I would then be able to get a pack replacement when one was available and would no longer need to keep waiting for my repurchase. I thanked them for calling and that I was perfectly fine with waiting for the 22 Bolt EUV Premier I have on order to be produced once the factory is back up and running.

She then pivoted and asked if I was willing to receive one of the November EVs. I would have to go to the dealer (or another if they back out) that originally agreed to host the swap to select one from the inventory. GM would then ship it to the dealer. I said that I was willing to see what was available but if they didn't have anything that matched what I currently had on order I would rather wait. Which she said was fine.

She is now contacting the hosting dealership to confirm that they are still willing to host the swap. She will then let me know either way.

For those wondering, here's what my location, vehicle info, and timeline has been to this point:
Location: VA
Current vehicle: 2020 Bolt EV LT
Ordered vehicle: 2022 Bolt EUV Premier w/ Sun & Sound
Timeline:
10/24 called EV Concierge
10/29 submitted all requested paperwork
11/1 called by GM Repurchase Center Case Referral Specialist and given the typical three options but that if I chose a swap I could not request an EV. I pushed back and said that I wanted to swap for another EV. The specialist said that they would need to get back to me.
11/9 specialist called and said that I could order an EV. They asked if I had a dealer in mind to host the swap. I suggested my local dealer from whom I purchased my Bolt. They called back 30 min. later saying that the dealer agreed to host. I called the dealer and they asked me to configure my vehicle online and send them the Build Code. Built the vehicle and emiald the code. Fifteen minutes later I had the Order Code that I then sent to the Repurchase specialist
11/9 received email confirmation that all my documents were in order and that my vehicle order was attached ot my case. They also said that it would take 6-10 weeks before I was contacted due to the case load.
01/10 (today) got call from GM rep described above
 

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I just got a call from GM telling me that a software update was available for my 2020 Bolt EV LT. They then said that I would then be able to get a pack replacement when one was available and would no longer need to keep waiting for my repurchase. I thanked them for calling and that I was perfectly fine with waiting for the 22 Bolt EUV Premier I have on order to be produced once the factory is back up and running.

She then pivoted and asked if I was willing to receive one of the November EVs. I would have to go to the dealer (or another if they back out) that originally agreed to host the swap to select one from the inventory. GM would then ship it to the dealer. I said that I was willing to see what was available but if they didn't have anything that matched what I currently had on order I would rather wait. Which she said was fine.

She is now contacting the hosting dealership to confirm that they are still willing to host the swap. She will then let me know either way.

For those wondering, here's what my location, vehicle info, and timeline has been to this point:
Location: VA
Current vehicle: 2020 Bolt EV LT
Ordered vehicle: 2022 Bolt EUV Premier w/ Sun & Sound
Timeline:
10/24 called EV Concierge
10/29 submitted all requested paperwork
11/1 called by GM Repurchase Center Case Referral Specialist and given the typical three options but that if I chose a swap I could not request an EV. I pushed back and said that I wanted to swap for another EV. The specialist said that they would need to get back to me.
11/9 specialist called and said that I could order an EV. They asked if I had a dealer in mind to host the swap. I suggested my local dealer from whom I purchased my Bolt. They called back 30 min. later saying that the dealer agreed to host. I called the dealer and they asked me to configure my vehicle online and send them the Build Code. Built the vehicle and emiald the code. Fifteen minutes later I had the Order Code that I then sent to the Repurchase specialist
11/9 received email confirmation that all my documents were in order and that my vehicle order was attached ot my case. They also said that it would take 6-10 weeks before I was contacted due to the case load.
01/10 (today) got call from GM rep described above
The inventory might be regional, but they were able to find me a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier w/ Sun & Sound. They just didn't have anything with Super Cruise which I was bummed about.
 

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No Super Cruise is not an issue for me as I'm not interested in paying the premium. Plus with the traffic in this area and the crazy way folks drive I would probably rarely if ever get to use it. My biggest concern is will the vehicle have heated seats and steering wheel. Heck, if I choose to wait will that vehicle have them?
 
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