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I'm really in love with a Bolt but I have something to share.
Right now I have 13 Camry with 125.000 miles on it and it looks like pretty soon I will have to deal with transmission. So I decided to change a car. Looking for a Plug-in Hybrid or EV. I really like the idea to drive an EV without changing filters, oil, to do engine tune-up and etc but I live in a condo right now (renting) and soon will be moving to another place. I'm thinking to get something with my personal parking spot with a garage or a driveway close to home so I can charge my future EV but I don't know about a time frame. I can move next month or in next 6 months.
I have enough public Level 2 chargers around my area (most of them are free) and couple DC Chargers. I have a full time job (10 miles round trip) but we don't have a charging station but I can talk to my boss and get a cord from our garage to my car but even if my boss say yes I will get Level 1 charger. After my full-time job I go to deliver food for several hours (about 60-80 miles total for a day with trip from and to home) and on weekends I do deliveries only and sometimes can drive up to 160 miles a day.
So, I don't have a home charger option (at least for now), have plenty of public chargers and a lot of driving. I really want to get a Bolt but still considering to get a Plug-in Hybrid like Honda Clarity so I can have a piece of mind when I have to keep going but my juice is almost gone.

Any suggestions? Thank you in advance.
 

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Welcome to the forum. You might wait until after your move. Or you could do what I did, get the car and then figure out how to charge it. I started with the level 1 until I installed a 240V outlet. Turns out the level 1 charge cord that came with the Bolt will work on 240V with a simple adapter. That's as far as I got. Over three years using the one that came with the car on 240V.
 

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160 miles in a day could be around 40-50 kWh. Recharging time:

L1, 120V, 8A, 0.96 kW: 42-52 hours
L1, 120V, 12A, 1.44 kW: 28-35 hours
L2, 240V, 12A, 2.88 kW: 14-17 hours
L2, 240V, 30A, 7.2 kW: 6-7 hours

DCFC could be up to about 50 kW, but the car reduces charging speed in the upper half of the state-of-charge, so it will take longer than 1 hour to add 50 kWh. But also note that many DCFC stations are slower (including some labeled as "50 kW" which are only 100A and will deliver under 40 kW to the Bolt whose battery tops out at around 400V).
 

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Hello,

I'm really in love with a Bolt but I have something to share.
Right now I have 13 Camry with 125.000 miles on it and it looks like pretty soon I will have to deal with transmission. So I decided to change a car. Looking for a Plug-in Hybrid or EV. I really like the idea to drive an EV without changing filters, oil, to do engine tune-up and etc but I live in a condo right now (renting) and soon will be moving to another place. I'm thinking to get something with my personal parking spot with a garage or a driveway close to home so I can charge my future EV but I don't know about a time frame. I can move next month or in next 6 months.
I have enough public Level 2 chargers around my area (most of them are free) and couple DC Chargers. I have a full time job (10 miles round trip) but we don't have a charging station but I can talk to my boss and get a cord from our garage to my car but even if my boss say yes I will get Level 1 charger. After my full-time job I go to deliver food for several hours (about 60-80 miles total for a day with trip from and to home) and on weekends I do deliveries only and sometimes can drive up to 160 miles a day.
So, I don't have a home charger option (at least for now), have plenty of public chargers and a lot of driving. I really want to get a Bolt but still considering to get a Plug-in Hybrid like Honda Clarity so I can have a piece of mind when I have to keep going but my juice is almost gone.

Any suggestions? Thank you in advance.
Clearly, the most convenient method is home charging, if your next place will offer that option, a few months of using free L2 may not be so bad.

If you are in a mild climate area, 200+ mile range on a nearly full charge will be possible. L1 charging at work + L2 at public chargers near your home would keep you in good shape. Occasional L3 charges might be necessary.

One of the real benefits of an EV for high mileage is the cost savings add up quick. With free charging and virtually no maintenance, your upside may be worth the hassles short term.
 

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Of those public L2 stations, are any within walking distance of your apartment, and would you feel safe/comfortable regularly parking a car there overnight? If the answer is yes to both, then you might consider overnight charging once or twice a week. Same goes for walking distance to your day job. If you are using public L2, plan to leave the car there for a few hours at a time. It's not something you can just stop by and use after work like you may with a gas station.

What is co-located with those DCFCs? For example, in the Northeast, EVgo has partnered with Hannaford (grocery chain). So you could do your weekly grocery shopping there while your car charges. If not that, do they at least have something you can (and want to) do for an hour once or twice a week?
 

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I think I'd suck it up for a month (until you move) and charge at public L1 or DCFC. You'll get around 25-30 miles added if you charge at work (L1 for 8 hours) and then make up the rest of your needed range on public chargers. If your state of charge is low enough, you'll spend 30-45 min at a DCFC or 3-4 hours at L2. Find something to do during that time....read emails, pay bills, work, whatever.
 

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One of the real benefits of an EV for high mileage is the cost savings add up quick.
Agree; if one is doing local delivery, a Bolt is probably the ideal vehicle.

You've done your math and using your own car for deliveries must be sufficiently profitable for you personally to continue the work. Possibly customers in your area tip better than most.

Over the years, I've had several acquaintances who tried working Uber/Lyft/DoorDash/Dominos, et al; sometimes all at once. After varying lengths of time, a robbery, an accident, additional insurance for commercial use of the car and just not enough profit, they all gave it up.

There's a reason the corporate greed-heads are pushing delivery out to individuals. It's just not profitable when all the costs and hours are taken into account. Your opinions and results may vary.

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Based on what you describe I believe that the Bolt could work for you. It will require more planning and being cognizant of your vehicle state of charge and limitations, however the extremely low cost of fuel and lack of maintenance is a huge advantage IMHO. Personally I would start a conversation with my boss to see if there are any 240V outlets that you could utilize and I would offer to pay for the electricity you use. As @XJ12 mentioned you can use the EVSE (Charge cord) supplied with the Bolt with 240V.
 

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Good idea? Possibly, but it really depends.

Free L2 AC is nice, but time consuming. Public DCFC is nice (and will save time over L2 AC), but it is typically expensive and often a limited resource (i.e., you'll be competing with other EV owners). The main reason to own an EV is convenient charging at home or work. When I still had my Volt, I was living in an apartment without home or work charging, but I was able to secure a parking spot directly below my balcony. I was literally charging my car off the same outlet as my TV. Perhaps that's a possibility in your condo.

Still, you must understand that for 120 V, you will only recoup about 4 miles of charge per hour. For 240 V, it can be five to six times faster. For DC fast charging, you can add 50% of your battery in 30 to 40 minutes. So obviously, given how many miles you're driving, the best solution would be 240 V at home or work.
 

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Of those public L2 stations, are any within walking distance of your apartment, and would you feel safe/comfortable regularly parking a car there overnight? If the answer is yes to both, then you might consider overnight charging once or twice a week. Same goes for walking distance to your day job. If you are using public L2, plan to leave the car there for a few hours at a time. It's not something you can just stop by and use after work like you may with a gas station.

What is co-located with those DCFCs? For example, in the Northeast, EVgo has partnered with Hannaford (grocery chain). So you could do your weekly grocery shopping there while your car charges. If not that, do they at least have something you can (and want to) do for an hour once or twice a week?
He drives 60 to 80 miles a day during the work week and 160+ miles a day on weekends, overnight L2 charging or DCFC charging a couple times a week will not cut it.

To the OP:

If you can work out some "at work" charging, you could go ahead and get the Bolt now, but personally, I would hold on to your old car until you move to a place where you can have "at home" charging.

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Here in NYC I had conversations with taxi drivers that manage their workflow with public chargers, free or otherwise, they all live in apartment buildings, Tim not sure how many miles they drive but 2 drove a Nissan Leaf and 2 of them drove Bolts, being taxis I’m guessing that they drive a ton of miles a day
 

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thank you everybody! I really appreciate your effort! :)
I had a conversation with my manager at work today and he said he doesn't care if I charge my vehicle at work and even will allow me to get a 240 plug (we are a small manufacturer company) from our electric box if I pay for electrician to get a wiring. I know that he (electrician) will charge me couple hundred bucks but at least I can charge my vehicle at work for free as long as I work there
 

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He drives 60 to 80 miles a day during the work week and 160+ miles a day on weekends, overnight L2 charging or DCFC charging a couple times a week will not cut it.
That was meant to be an AND, not an OR. A couple of nights a week of L2 charging AND a DCFC a couple of times a week could make it work. The question is, how inconvenient would that be? If it can be made to be convenient, then maybe it's worth trying out.
 

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thank you everybody! I really appreciate your effort! :)
I had a conversation with my manager at work today and he said he doesn't care if I charge my vehicle at work and even will allow me to get a 240 plug (we are a small manufacturer company) from our electric box if I pay for electrician to get a wiring. I know that he (electrician) will charge me couple hundred bucks but at least I can charge my vehicle at work for free as long as I work there
Congratulations. I hope you enjoy your Bolt as much as we do ours. :)
 

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With the manager allowing 240 at work, make sure it is on a 40 amp breaker with appropriate sized wiring and you can do the majority of your charging at work with supplemental charging from free L2 as needed. With that in mind, get the plug installed at work, and purchase a 32 amp EVSE (wall mounted if manager says ok, otherwise portable) before selling your old car and getting the Bolt and you will be golden! I would still look for a new place to live where charging is possible so you can do without the public L2, but it is not urgent now with the manager being reasonable.

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Congratulations. I hope you enjoy your Bolt as much as we do ours. :)
Thank you.

Just came from a local Chevy dealer that has a 2017 Bolt with 49700 miles on it. There are some scratches on plastic around door entrances and couple dents on the hood. They want $14700. My trade in is $7000 so I will finance $7700 plus taxes and fees. Test drove the vehicle. I did like it. Took a night to think. Want to ask them for $500 off and no any dealer doc fee and etc. 8 year/100.000 miles on battery is transferable but I'm afraid in 1 year I will hit that 100.000 miles mark and be out of warranty. I know that original battery is $15K. Do you know how much is battery from 3rd parties if any? I couldn't find anything.
 

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With the manager allowing 240 at work, make sure it is on a 40 amp breaker with appropriate sized wiring and you can do the majority of your charging at work with supplemental charging from free L2 as needed. With that in mind, get the plug installed at work, and purchase a 32 amp EVSE (wall mounted if manager says ok, otherwise portable) before selling your old car and getting the Bolt and you will be golden! I would still look for a new place to live where charging is possible so you can do without the public L2, but it is not urgent now with the manager being reasonable.

Keith
good advice. thank you
 

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Thank you.

Just came from a local Chevy dealer that has a 2017 Bolt with 49700 miles on it. There are some scratches on plastic around door entrances and couple dents on the hood. They want $14700. My trade in is $7000 so I will finance $7700 plus taxes and fees. Test drove the vehicle. I did like it. Took a night to think. Want to ask them for $500 off and no any dealer doc fee and etc. 8 year/100.000 miles on battery is transferable but I'm afraid in 1 year I will hit that 100.000 miles mark and be out of warranty. I know that original battery is $15K. Do you know how much is battery from 3rd parties if any? I couldn't find anything.
What leads you to believe the battery will stop working magically at 100K? How many cars are still on the roads 15 years after their warranties expired?

Bolt batteries seem to hold up well. Look for @NewsCoulomb videos on Youtube. He covers his deterioration at 130K miles, and it is surprisingly low.
 
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