[MisterJJ]

FYI:
2022 Chevy Bolt EUV vs. VW ID4 vs. Ford Mustang Mach-E Comparison Test: The Mainstream EV SUVs

 

[finallygoingev]

FYI:
2022 Chevy Bolt EUV vs. VW ID4 vs. Ford Mustang Mach-E Comparison Test: The Mainstream EV SUVs

The federal tax credit really plays too much of a factor in these comparisons...Just saw Pelosi put back 4 weeks of paid family leave back in the proposal which Manchin said he can't support already.

The EUV in here is $43,685 MSRP. Wonder what they will sell for once the sales hold is lifted. $5/gas in CA isn't helping any ICE car.

Any prospective Bolt buyer better hope they get the $7500-$12500 again or I can't see people really wanting to buy these at MSRP. The Mach-E I am thinking of is sub 40k after rebates and cheaper than this EUV.

 

[jefro]

Currently the $7500 is still the tax credit. Kind of a rich mans car still.
The Bolt at least when I got it was so cheap I can't stand to tell.
Until the whole fire deal it was a range issue that Bolt won.

 

[Nemy]

And the out-the-door prices of the Mustang Mach-E and the Polestar 2 were?

jack vines

The tricky part is obviously that Chevy lost the credit. I haven't been following them recently but when I was shopping they had also stopped the insane discounts. So a LT base model Bolt is going to be significantly cheaper and still a decent value but a proper comparison would be a Premier/2LT.

My MME was a bit extra for the color, rubber mats, and comfort/tech package so $47235 + DMV. After $10k in credits, though, it's just a little bit more than a 2LT. If I could've gotten another Premier at $24k, I probably would've saved the money but for lane centering, ACC, size, speed, and BlueCruise I could justify the "upgrade." Theoretically you could get a base MME and base Polestar 2 for even less after credits.

 

[Tom G.]

Nice comparison. After test driving Mach-E and Model Y, if I were going to replace my Bolt (or older MS) it would be a tough choice. I thought MY drove nicer than Mach-E with slightly better range, efficiency and charging curve but I think the Mach-E looks really good and prefer Mach-E interior design much better. I think Ford will be out of their tax credits next year (Q2 or Q3 - Federal EV Tax Credit Phase Out Tracker By Automaker – EVAdoption), so unless the new credits pass that won't be a factor that much longer.

 

[greendave]

Ford, like everybody else, is constrained by battery supply. Mach E and Lightning demand will absorb everything they've have for the next few years.

I suppose so.

I really dislike 'coupe' SUVs. All the disadvantages of an SUV but also more limited storage and uglier. Oh well...

As to being battery constrained, it really feels like nobody (Ford, GM, Mercedes, VW etc.) did their homework, or expected to sell more than a small fraction here or there.

 

[AZBILL]

And the out-the-door prices of the Mustang Mach-E and the Polestar 2 were?

jack vines

I paid $54K for my Mach E, plus tax and title fees. Yes, much more than the $37.5K I paid for my Bolt back in 2017, but also a much more capable car.

 

[Packard V8]

I paid $54K for my Mach E, plus tax and title fees. Yes, much more than the $37.5K I paid for my Bolt back in 2017, but also a much more capable car.

Thanks for sharing.
Agree, the Mach E is a larger, more capable car, especially since it will have an AWD version. Some can afford 44% more; some can't.

If we ever decide we want a larger EV, the Mach E would be on the short list, but since we only have one, the Bolt is overall a better fit for our daily use; don't need additional size, weight, range or cost.

jack vines

 

[twriter]

I think that was a design decision from some videos I've seen (long hood...compared to MY).

As for out-the-door prices, there is no question the MME is going to cost you more than a Bolt EV, esp comparing a higher end optioned MME vs. the cheapest Bolt, but most would say the MME gets you more car and is compared with the Tesla MY vs. a Bolt so that's a bit of an unfair comparison.

There's still the $7500 credit if nothing passes and if the Bolt qualifies again for a new credit ($12.5k), then the Bolt EV will be lots lots cheaper (assuming they don't raise prices) so new Bolts will be a much better deal. GM did instantly adjust prices when the credit expired back in 2019/2020.

Cheapest before tax/title with incentives in CA will be ~32.6k.

Agree that the MME is "more car." I mean, the big reason Ford draped it with the "Mustang" moniker was to give it cachet, despite the protests of "real" Mustang aficionados, which also meant they could justify a "premium" price.

It looks like we could be on track for higher federal credits (although it looks like the MME won't be eligible for some parts of it), which would drop the effective price, a good thing, but no way will I suffer the currently existing dealer markups. It's definitely on my radar though, unless BMW's allegedly vaunted engineers get their collective thumbs out of their asses and create a 400+ mile range MINI Roadster. I definitely don't want a bigger car, but if Chevy screws up this recall......

 

[Manku]

Nice writeup...BUT...comparing a 22 with a 19 Bolt makes little sense especially since the interior has been revamped...many of the differences don't exist in the updated Bolt...and EUV in particular.

I'm also surprised at how many people buy these instead of lease them. I leased my 2022 EUV just three months ago...and am paying $332 a month with zero drive off. That includes 9.5 tax and $500+ registration. And they delivered it to my door! Terms are for 36 months/10000 miles per year.

There was no federal tax credit...just a $1500 California one.

Personally, I lease all my cars. Especially new technology, or a car filled with new tech. The video processor malfunctioned last month...covered by warranty, but would have been a $1200 repair.

 

[Nemy]

Nice writeup...BUT...comparing a 22 with a 19 Bolt makes little sense especially since the interior has been revamped...many of the differences don't exist in the updated Bolt...and EUV in particular.

I'm also surprised at how many people buy these instead of lease them. I leased my 2022 EUV just three months ago...and am paying $332 a month with zero drive off. That includes 9.5 tax and $500+ registration. And they delivered it to my door! Terms are for 36 months/10000 miles per year.

It would actually apply for a 2021 MME vs. a 2021 Bolt... The Bolt changed in 2022 and the 2022 MME won't even be out until the new year. To be fair, I can't judge against a 2022 Bolt but I took it as more of a face lift anyways so it'll probably still beat the MME in the same areas and vice versa.

There's a thread about lease vs. buying but for me, at least, the value in an EV comes from driving it. The amount I save in gas/maintenance from driving over 30k miles a year offsets the car payment. No lease would let me do that. In the pandemic-era and cars are replaced like smartphones-era, cars have actually appreciated - even more so when you factor in the tax credits (e.g. I can sell my MME right now with 15k miles for $4k more than I paid for it).

 

[finallygoingev]

Nice writeup...BUT...comparing a 22 with a 19 Bolt makes little sense especially since the interior has been revamped...many of the differences don't exist in the updated Bolt...and EUV in particular.

I'm also surprised at how many people buy these instead of lease them. I leased my 2022 EUV just three months ago...and am paying $332 a month with zero drive off. That includes 9.5 tax and $500+ registration. And they delivered it to my door! Terms are for 36 months/10000 miles per year.

There was no federal tax credit...just a $1500 California one.

Personally, I lease all my cars. Especially new technology, or a car filled with new tech. The video processor malfunctioned last month...covered by warranty, but would have been a $1200 repair.

It's nice not having a monthly car expense...Not sure how old you are, but we had a car that was 20+ years old, before it died...current ICE is 10+ years. It still works. Was planning to drive the Bolt to the ground before this recall, but our monthly car payment is $0.

Driving cars to the ground is a good way to increase wealth generally since cars are 'normally' a depreciating asset. Once you're old enough to not care what people think about what you drive, you have no issues driving a beater. I personally don't care/need new tech. I got the cheapest, bottom of the barrel Bolt. If you bought your 2022 EUV and the video processor malfunctioned, it'd be still under warranty honestly meaning your cost to fix is still $0.

 

[atc98092]

I'm also surprised at how many people buy these instead of lease them. I leased my 2022 EUV just three months ago...and am paying $332 a month with zero drive off. That includes 9.5 tax and $500+ registration. And they delivered it to my door! Terms are for 36 months/10000 miles per year.

I leased both my previous Niro PHEV and now my Bolt for the same reason. EV technology is changing so fast, I wouldn't want to be locked into a particular car just yet. Range and charging speeds are increasing, battery prices are falling, and both the battery tech and in-car amenities continue to improve. When I Bolt lease is up, I'll likely be retired, and looking for that one last car. By 2023-24 there's going to be a lot of choices, perhaps even a solid state battery that charges in 5 minutes and has 500 miles of range. Still not quite equal to what I could do with my Passat diesel (5 minutes to fill, almost 1000 miles of range at freeway speeds), but more than sufficient.

 

[AZBILL]

Nice writeup...BUT...comparing a 22 with a 19 Bolt makes little sense especially since the interior has been revamped...many of the differences don't exist in the updated Bolt...and EUV in particular.

I'm also surprised at how many people buy these instead of lease them. I leased my 2022 EUV just three months ago...and am paying $332 a month with zero drive off. That includes 9.5 tax and $500+ registration. And they delivered it to my door! Terms are for 36 months/10000 miles per year.

There was no federal tax credit...just a $1500 California one.

Personally, I lease all my cars. Especially new technology, or a car filled with new tech. The video processor malfunctioned last month...covered by warranty, but would have been a $1200 repair.

My wife and I put way too many miles on a car for leasing to be cheaper than owning. Took 4 years to put 96K miles on our Bolt. I tend to keep cars until they drop. We currently have two 2008 vehicles at home, one of those is my GMC pickup with 180K miles, which will be replaced with a Hummer EV, hopefully late next year. It has been very reliable, few repairs and has been paid for since 2012. And I pull a couple of big (>5K lbs) trailers with it.

 

[efbolt]

I considered the Mach-e but it seems a little pricey for the difference compared to the Bolt. I think the noise in the Bolt is bad so surprised to hear that the Mach-e is worse. A shame to hear about the infotainment lag as well.

The ones I'm looking at are the F-150, Cybertruck, and BMW i4. I like the Bolt so doubt I'll get rid of it though.

 

[Croxley611]

I was interested in the Mach- E but here in Canada it doesn’t apply for the federal & provincial rebate, a well equipped one would be $65k+
Im holding on hope of the stop sale being lifted as I have a EUV on hold sitting at dealer, I spoke to customer service at Chevy last week and told them the inconvenience of having to “winterized” my car and pay for gas while my bolt is just sitting on the dealer lot, they gave me an extra $2500 credit toward purchase so in total I’m getting $10,500 off the EUV plus also I might get an additional $2500 off thru work so at that price point the vehicle is half the price as the Mach-e so it’s a no brainer.

 

[EUVBolt]

I have been researching EV’s for the past several months and keep coming back to the EUV, assuming that the Bolt once again qualifies for the tax credit/rebate. The only thing holding me back is the charging speed.

I have been trying to come around to the ID4 / MME but the prices spike on those quickly and cant justify the difference at this point.

For me it will probably come down to the EUV or Lyriq. Lyriq has everything I want, but figure it would be at least a year before I have a real opportunity to buy one.

I have a close relative that works at a Chevy dealership that could probably help me get one without a dealer markup. If that doesn’t work out I’d likely just wait for the market supply to improve.

 

[p7wang]

I have been researching EV’s for the past several months and keep coming back to the EUV, assuming that the Bolt once again qualifies for the tax credit/rebate. The only thing holding me back is the charging speed.

I have been trying to come around to the ID4 / MME but the prices spike on those quickly and cant justify the difference at this point.

For me it will probably come down to the EUV or Lyriq. Lyriq has everything I want, but figure it would be at least a year before I have a real opportunity to buy one.

I have a close relative that works at a Chevy dealership that could probably help me get one without a dealer markup. If that doesn’t work out I’d likely just wait for the market supply to improve.

Some dealer will not mark up if you order. I am looking at ID.4 and it would be $1K markup for ones on the lot. If I order and wait, no markup. Probably be the same for any dealer you go to.

 

[2020 Bolter]

I ultimately ended up in a Mach-E after I did a swap for my Bolt, I then traded my swap vehicle for an AWD Mach-E Select with comfort and tech, all told I am about $5k more out of pocket to be in the Mach-E from the Bolt. The cars are night and day, the Bolt was great for zipping around and commuting, but the highway comfort and efficiency, the power, the style (inside and out) and so much better in the Mach-E, not to mention ALL the tech, auto lights, wipers, BlueCruise hands off driving. Also the road noise, wind noise are much less in the Mach-E. I also like how things in the Mach-E are simpler, it stays in 1-pedal, I dont have to choose it, and the one pedal is smoother, I bet might wife might even be a convert.

 

[Packard V8]

Thanks for sharing. Seems to have been a great deal for you. What was the MSRP on your Mach-E?

jack vines