[Jason5]

There is a new EV coming out next month in late October, 2021 - Lucid Air luxury EV. The special edition of its flagship costs $169,000 and has a range of 520 miles.

It will likely be more of a competitor for Tesla, since Lucid CEO Peter Rawlinson is a former chief engineer and vice president of engineering at Tesla - New Lucid Air. The Air starts at $77,400.

Guess who makes its batteries? - Lucid Batteries, wish them luck.

 

[EVolved]

There is a new EV coming out next month in late October, 2021 - Lucid Air luxury EV. The special edition of its flagship costs $169,000 and has a range of 520 miles.

It will likely be more of a competitor for Tesla, since Lucid CEO Peter Rawlinson is a former chief engineer and vice president of engineering at Tesla - New Lucid Air. The Air starts at $77,400.

Guess who makes its batteries? - Lucid Batteries, wish them luck.

The cells that Lucid are using are cylindrical, not pouch. They won't suffer the same reduction of safety, performance, or energy density as the pouch cells in most legacy EV's. That's probably why if you look at the longer range/most efficient EV's, they typically use cylindrical's. Most lists show Tesla, Lucid, and Rivian at the top and they all use cylindrical's.

 

[RacerX00]

Funny how Lucid is probably 6 months to 2 years behind Rivian or at best on par, yet right now they're looking pretty super-sweet by comparison to make it because they haven't stabbed their potential customers in the back.

Really hope these guys make it. I would hope we emerge from these early EV days with at least 2 US luxury auto manufacturers. I was rooting for Rivian overall because I think they have the most promise to deliver middle class cars in 10 years but not anymore. Clearly affordability was a lie and they just wanted to be another luxury automaker.

We need a second Elon Musk to establish a "Model 2" type vehicle that we can get excited about. Don't get me wrong, I love the Honda Es, ID.3s and Bolts of the world but we need true disruption in the meat and potatoes of the average car buyer. We both need it to happen for the industry and because ultimately these luxury auto makers will wind up with much smaller volume of delivery than the blue chips so if we want US manufacturing and US ownership, we really need a new GM or Ford.

Rivian is so depressing across the board. I was fine with Wall Street being stupid and spending stupid money on shares because stock prices are not a 1:1 indicator of company health and IPOs are always full of stupid investors buying stupid. The thing we can't get back is their promise. Top notch cars delivered well below what you would expect. The R1S isn't a Model X disruptor, it's a competitor, we've been lied to.

At least Lucid was always aspiring to be a poster car and not one half the population could maybe own some day. Go Lucid go, conquer that market.

 

[boltage]

The cells that Lucid are using are cylindrical, not pouch. They won't suffer the same reduction of safety, performance, or energy density as the pouch cells in most legacy EV's. That's probably why if you look at the longer range/most efficient EV's, they typically use cylindrical's. Most lists show Tesla, Lucid, and Rivian at the top and they all use cylindrical's.

Cylindrical cells leave some space between the cells, so they trade off energy density for better heat management and fire resistance. The NCA chemistry is among the highest in energy density, but also among the highest in flammability (the NCM chemistry common in other companies' EV batteries is only slightly lower in both characteristics), so the argument for cylindrical cells is strongest for this chemistry.

Note that Tesla's LFP batteries use tightly packed prismatic cells, because LFP chemistry is less flammable, but also lower energy density. Hence cylindrical cells make less sense for LFP batteries than they do for NCA batteries.