[kdphan]

MIL has been wanting an EV for quite some time.
She loves the Model S and 3 that we have at home.

Woke up on saturday and realized there were new rebates/incentives on 2020 Bolts. Saw a listing on cargurus for an LT with no DCFC and contacted the dealer right away.
Drove there a few hours later and MIL drove it home.

Had to buy a new charger since the Tesla charger I have at home needed an adapter to work with J1773. Took home a Clipper Creek 40P the same day.

This lady drives my 4 y/o son to school daily, feeds him and takes care of him as if he's her own son. It's the least I can do for her.

 

[GetOffYourGas]

That is a generous gift! I just hope you don't regret passing on the DCFC option. That is what makes my Bolt a huge leap better than my 2012 Leaf.

 

[kdphan]

That is a generous gift! I just hope you don't regret passing on the DCFC option. That is what makes my Bolt a huge leap better than my 2012 Leaf.

She will never take it anywhere beyond 50 miles radius. Her 4 trips per day is 60 miles total.
So not having DCFC doesn't really bother me. I know future resell will suck without DCFC. But it's a car I can see her keeping for 5 years.

 

[ZoomZoom]

I have 20k miles on my 2019 Bolt, no DCFC and I have found nothing at all that shows resale value will be affected by the lack of the DCFC. There's too many still in the commuting mindset. I know this will change but not for many years. There will always be a lot of 'us' who commute with the car and won't road trip with it. Even if I had DCFC, I still won't road trip it. I am Jelly at your Tesla's though. Does MIL stand for mother in law? If so, I have the diagrams for the brake lines if you need them and the fuse to pull to kill regen braking. PM me if you need it in the future.

 

[kdphan]

I have 20k miles on my 2019 Bolt, no DCFC and I have found nothing at all that shows resale value will be affected by the lack of the DCFC. There's too many still in the commuting mindset. I know this will change but not for many years. There will always be a lot of 'us' who commute with the car and won't road trip with it. Even if I had DCFC, I still won't road trip it. I am Jelly at your Tesla's though. Does MIL stand for mother in law? If so, I have the diagrams for the brake lines if you need them and the fuse to pull to kill regen braking. PM me if you need it in the future.

What's the issue with regen braking that you would want to kill it?
MIL - mother in law

DCFC issue - I think people are overcome with fear that they will need to use DCFC in that one instance they're stuck somewhere with low range and need to get somewhere quickly.

 

[Bolt2019]

I would say DCFC is for not wanting to sit around for hours so as to continue on your way sooner. Not fear.

 

[redpoint5]

MIL- Malfunction Indicator Lamp

I've got no use for DCFC and doubt it affects resale more than the $750 to add it. The major pricing indexes don't even list DCFC as an option, so the typical customer wouldn't even be thinking to pay more for DCFC. Only in the EV world do I hear people talk about adding expensive options as a way to make money when you sell the vehicle on the used market.

 

[Digi]

Forgive me but what is a MIL?

 

[kdphan]

Forgive me but what is a MIL?

mother in law

 

[Digi]

Ah

mother in law

Ah okay. Thanks for the clarification. Indeed a generous gift!

 

[GetOffYourGas]

The EV market - used in particular - is still very immature. People don't know what they are missing when they don't order the DCFC port. They are simply ignorant for the most part. That will change over time as more EVs hit the road and fast charging stations become more common.

As an example of this, a local Chevy dealer bought up a dozen Bolts - all without DCFC. They then sat on the lot, un-sellable without some steep discounts. Meanwhile the competitor bought them all with DCFC and cannot keep them on the lot. In this case, it was the dealer's ignorance combined with the knowledgable customer base that killed the value of the DCFC-less cars.

 

[NY-Rob]

I have 20k miles on my 2019 Bolt, no DCFC and I have found nothing at all that shows resale value will be affected by the lack of the DCFC.

I have also observed the same thing regarding resale/trade in value of DCFC eqipped vs. non DCFC equipped Bolts. Nowadays, you punch in your VIN and the trim level automatically pops up never even asking about DCFC or no DCFC.

 

[NY-Rob]

She loves the Model S and 3 that we have at home.

But which is your favorite?

 

[kdphan]

But which is your favorite?

I prefer the model 3 performance

 

[ZoomZoom]

The EV market - used in particular - is still very immature. People don't know what they are missing when they don't order the DCFC port. They are simply ignorant for the most part. That will change over time as more EVs hit the road and fast charging stations become more common.

I wouldn't necessarily call that ignorant. Some of us call the car what it is and just commute with it. Then again, over a year ago a person here told me how many more DC charging stations would be in my state in 1 year time. Thankfully, Harley installed a few and their prediction almost came true....if you count 24kw stations as 'high speed.' But I do believe in spirit you are correct. But the timeline is farther away than you think. And you are completely clueless to a very large demographic who indeed are buying EV's to (only) commute with because the concept of sitting while charging isn't for them. The number of rest area's on US80/90 is half what it was 25 years ago and for those who drive that route notice that 'every other one' has been turned into a highway maintenance facility. Many here are pulling off these extra lunch breaks and route changes to facilitate DCFC charging on their celebrated 200+ mile journeys. I'm totally jealous because I just haven't been able to adapt to it yet, though I hope I will someday. But we all know the success of the EV's requires the infrastructure changes that one manufacturer clearly understands.

 

[ZoomZoom]

I prefer the model 3 performance

I've driven the M3 three times now and the performance is impressive. The tech has me sold, but the performance and ride is really really nice.

 

[ZoomZoom]

What's the issue with regen braking that you would want to kill it?
MIL - mother in law

It was a joke, it went along with the brake line diagram .... as in if you need to cut the brake lines. Which in an EV with regen braking isn't as effective. But alas, just a joke.

 

[kdphan]

I've driven the M3 three times now and the performance is impressive. The tech has me sold, but the performance and ride is really really nice.

The P3D is an impressive car for what it's selling for nowadays $56k. I bought it before the price drop and have no regrets.

 

[ZoomZoom]

The P3D is an impressive car for what it's selling for nowadays $56k. I bought it before the price drop and have no regrets.

I have not been disappointed in my test drives of it. I'm impressed with the Bolt too, but I'm the minority that thinks the Bolt is overpriced because of how horrible the tech is in the car. I've learned from this forum that there is a totally different demographic that likes the tech and those that don't. I don't have a regret, but this is like a first motorcycle buying experience for me. In that, you learn what you want/like/need and you won't have that first motorcycle for long.

 

[kdphan]

I have not been disappointed in my test drives of it. I'm impressed with the Bolt too, but I'm the minority that thinks the Bolt is overpriced because of how horrible the tech is in the car. I've learned from this forum that there is a totally different demographic that likes the tech and those that don't. I don't have a regret, but this is like a first motorcycle buying experience for me. In that, you learn what you want/like/need and you won't have that first motorcycle for long.

I find the Bolt LT to have adequate tech. It's great that it supports apple carplay.
I would not pay msrp for the Bolt especially how bare bone it is.

Somewhere under $30k is a good price for a starter EV.