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I think we’ve all run across salespeople who don’t know sheep sh*t from raisins when it comes to selling their product.
Personally, I’d be embarrassed & ashamed to be asking over 40 Large for an item I knew almost nothing about.
I came across this ad today. I can’t believe whoever is in charge of their advertising would put out an ad for a Bolt that included the following at the bottom of the ad;
“4-Free Oil lube & filter services on us with purchase! Expires two-years from delivery date or 48,000 kilometers. Whichever comes first! “
 

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I still get all the oil specials via email and snail mail from my dealership asking me to bring my Bolt in for an oil change. I even got some emails from the actual sales guy who sold me the car. I wrote him back and said I wanted to take him up on the offer but I was struggling to find the dip stick in my Bolt and if he could help it would be appreciated. . He got all defensive and claimed they were automated mails.
 

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Way back when I worked for a VW dealership the sales rep would take you through all the steps of acquiring a new car. Inform you on the technical aspect of the model, inquire about the availability and delivery time if not in stock, prepare the contract, push the sale of crappy shite (permanent shine, rust proofing, roof rack, floor mats and vinyl seat covers) write up the government docs and even install your license plate himself.

When I purchased my 2018 Bolt last May, the rep, whose turn it was to "greet" a client, took us out for a test drive telling to always use the D mode. He showed us where the spare was not and said the only time we have to open the front hood would be to refill the windshield washer tank. That's it. He told us we had to expect an eight to ten week delay before getting our car. I asked him where it was assembled and he said in Iowa ???

He wrote up the contract and took us to another office where we were greeted by a guy who acted like he hadn't seen us in ten years, he was so happy his smile went from ear to ear. He then proceeded to push the sale of all the crappy shite like I mentioned above plus more. Added warranty coverage, you know those cars now with all the electronics are so expensive to fix. Financing, On Star contract and so on. We said no to all his fantastic offers, the poor man was so sad, his smile was gone, he forgot to give us a key fob.

But wait! there's more: we were then transferred to a young lady who did the final paperwork and the government subsidy confirmation. We saw that she was in a rush to have us sign the contract. We noticed that the car was costing us 300$ more than the original agreement was for. You see we were told we could be expecting the car by mid july but after many phone calls our salesman finally managed to tell us GM had stopped production of the model year 2018 and that we would be getting a 2019 instead. Good news to me but we had to wait some more, six weeks more in fact.

The extra 300$ was explained by the model year change. The thing is he never mentioned this fact in July, when he informed us of the change. That's why the secretary was so eager for us to sign the final contract. After that she proceeded to explain the climate control features, mentioned to use the D mode instead of the L, did the connection with Onstar, showed us the radio control page and some other insignificant things we already knew. Nothing, zilch, about how to connect the car to a charger or anything about the particularities of an EV.

The sales manager then shook our hand, showed us his version of the ear to ear smile and made sure we answered the GM satisfaction questionnaire with only 10's, otherwise he wouldn't get his gold "best dealership of the year" award and accompanying all inclusive week in a Cuban resort.

Sorry for the long rant, I hope we will be able to order our cars from Amazon one day, at least the windshield washer reservoir would be full.

(One more thing: is my English too wordy, is it too literal, I notice a difference with the regular English used in general on forums like this one, thanks for the feedback) ;+)
 
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Well, my salesman had driven a Bolt around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway along with a slew of Corvettes as part of his training. He's a true car guy though. Course he wishes I had bought a Z06 but he was enthusiastic about the Bolt as a drive'rs car.
He transferred to an FCA dealership within the Auto Group. Next vehicle will be a Hellcat or Jeep Rubicon, LOL. He's pretty good at upselling me.
 

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Dishonesty and incompetence are not intrinsic for the car dealership business model; it's just like everywhere else - there are good places with good people and good culture, and, conversely, bad places.

For example, I cannot report any negative experience with our local Toyota, Hyundai and Chevrolet dealerships. Just like any other reasonable retail outlet - no tricks (that I can't notice), spares available (either in the parts' storage, or on short notice), techs know what they are doing etc.
 

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Way back when I worked for a VW dealership the sales rep would take you through all the steps of acquiring a new car. Inform you on the technical aspect of the model, inquire about the availability and delivery time if not in stock, prepare the contract, push the sale of crappy shite (permanent shine, rust proofing, roof rack, floor mats and vinyl seat covers) write up the government docs and even install your license plate himself.

When I purchased my 2018 Bolt last May, the rep, whose turn it was to "greet" a client, took us out for a test drive telling to always use the D mode. He showed us where the spare was not and said the only time we have to open the front hood would be to refill the windshield washer tank. That's it. He told us we had to expect an eight to ten week delay before getting our car. I asked him where it was assembled and he said in Iowa ???

He wrote up the contract and took us to another office where we were greeted by a guy who acted like he hadn't seen us in ten years, he was so happy his smile went from ear to ear. He then proceeded to push the sale of all the crappy shite like I mentioned above plus more. Added warranty coverage, you know those cars now with all the electronics are so expensive to fix. Financing, On Star contract and so on. We said no to all his fantastic offers, the poor man was so sad, his smile was gone, he forgot to give us a key fob.

But wait! there's more: we were then transferred to a young lady who did the final paperwork and the government subsidy confirmation. We saw that she was in a rush to have us sign the contract. We noticed that the car was costing us 300$ more than the original agreement was for. You see we were told we could be expecting the car by mid july but after many phone calls our salesman finally managed to tell us GM had stopped production of the model year 2018 and that we would be getting a 2019 instead. Good news to me but we had to wait some more, six weeks more in fact.

The extra 300$ was explained by the model year change. The thing is he never mentioned this fact in July, when he informed us of the change. That's why the secretary was so eager for us to sign the final contract. After that she proceeded to explain the climate control features, mentioned to use the D mode instead of the L, did the connection with Onstar, showed us the radio control page and some other insignificant things we already knew. Nothing, zilch, about how to connect the car to a charger or anything about the particularities of an EV.

The sales manager then shook our hand, showed us his version of the ear to ear smile and made sure we answered the GM satisfaction questionnaire with only 10's, otherwise he wouldn't get his gold "best dealership of the year" award and accompanying all inclusive week in a Cuban resort.

Sorry for the long rant, I hope we will be able to order our cars from Amazon one day, at least the windshield washer reservoir would be full.

(One more thing: is my English too wordy, is it too literal, I notice a difference with the regular English used in general on forums like this one, thanks for the feedback) ;+)
You can always vote with your feet. That $300 surprise would have been enough for me to simply thank them for their time, and walk out. Dealers may try to treat you poorly, but there’s no reason to let them.

I guess I was lucky, my dealer experience was pretty good, and my young salesperson knew quite a bit about the Bolt, even though they had only been available in my area for a couple of months back in 2017.
 

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I still get all the oil specials via email and snail mail from my dealership asking me to bring my Bolt in for an oil change. I even got some emails from the actual sales guy who sold me the car. I wrote him back and said I wanted to take him up on the offer but I was struggling to find the dip stick in my Bolt and if he could help it would be appreciated. . He got all defensive and claimed they were automated mails.
Why get defensive? His correct reaction should be more courteous and mention that he will ask the dealer to change the programming for Bolt EV owners. Salespersons should always know what they sold, who is the customer, and treat them well for a repeat sale.
 

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I think we’ve all run across salespeople who don’t know sheep sh*t from raisins when it comes to selling their product.
Personally, I’d be embarrassed & ashamed to be asking over 40 Large for an item I knew almost nothing about.
I came across this ad today. I can’t believe whoever is in charge of their advertising would put out an ad for a Bolt that included the following at the bottom of the ad;
“4-Free Oil lube & filter services on us with purchase! Expires two-years from delivery date or 48,000 kilometers. Whichever comes first! “
Part of the ad is just standard boilerplate dealership offers, such as the free oil changes, and the particular vehicle being offered is just dropped into the ad. The dealership isn’t clueless, they probably just couldn’t be bothered changing the copy for the one model they sell to which the copy doesn’t apply.
 

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My dealer tried to pull a fast one on me, after they got my payments down with a very low interest rate, they snuck in an extended warantee- I was feeling generous and told them as long as it was bumper to bumper for at least 8 years 100K miles, I agreed, "oh yes, the car will be completely covered" Long story short a day after I bought the car I read over the paperwork, 48months 100K miles!!! There is no way I'm putting 100K on it that quick and there is 0 chance I would recoup that money in usage.

Took over a week to get them to cancel it, dodging calls, trying to say that they never said that (which is why I brought a witness and should always bring one). They were simply trying to break even from me wearing them down $8800 off of MSRP, 3K less than their special pricing due to it having 2.3K miles.

I absolutely HATE GM dealers, they are the absolute worst, When I bought my Dodge and Fiat they didn't strong arm you, act like phony "I'm your best friend" kiss assses or play the song and dance with 4 different salesman and managers.

Next time around, I hope FCA has something to offer with Bolt-like range.

My Father was a salesman, I can see right through their dated tactics.
 

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The Bolt being my 2nd EV, I had very low expectations of learning much from the dealer about the car. In hind sight I was lucky I got a LEAF S with the optional charging package since they certainly didn't explain why I would want that. My Chevy salesman didn't seem insulted that he was learning more from me than I was learning, and that's about all I hoped for. For example, he seemed a little confused about the L1 EVSE that comes with the car and L2 EVSE to install in your garage. One Bolt seemed to have an optional L1 EVSE and I still don't know what that was.
 

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They failed to mention the car came with a ChargePoint card and I would need to activate it- that's like number 1!
Funny. I'm like what card? Last night went through the glove compartment and found my card. Pretty sure I had seen the post card before, but didn't realize what was inside. Thanks to this forum I now know. I've had the car almost a year now and just finding this out.

Oh, I pretty much trained the salesman on the Bolt. Stopped by the dealer the other day and he's gone. I think they only ordered mine and one other. Two for 100K+ population. Other's I know with Bolts have gotten them out of state. Kind of a sad state (pun intended) of affairs all things considered. Have started seeing Model 3's show up though. Used a public L2 charger downtown this week and a Model X was there at the Tesla L2. No Tesla dealer so they're getting them from somewhere as our state doesn't allow direct sales.
 

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I had quite the opposite experience. The sales person was very knowledgeable about all aspects of the Bolt. He mentioned the dealer had sold a handful of Bolts, mostly to prior EV owners - I assume that could be translated LEAF owners. I was quite surprised there was no attempt at the up-sell or pushing the usual bunk paint sealer, window etching, etc. etc. More car dealers should be like that. The dealer also proactively called when the power train firmware update became available.

I think the dealer realized that most of the Bolt customers they were getting were already experienced EV users and that baloney and clueless behavior would be a deal breaker.
 
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