[NewsCoulomb]

So I decided someone needed to start paying attention to the public charging providers, and as I probably spend as much time using them as anyone, I figured I'd start giving them quarterly "report cards." These are meant to help them improve and give a platform where the different public charging providers can see our feedback. First on the list is ChargePoint. Let me know what you think. I'm also looking to improve the format so it is as informative and useful to EV owners as possible.

https://youtu.be/XUj9ustJioo

 

[Fivedoor]

So I decided someone needed to start paying attention to the public charging providers, and as I probably spend as much time using them as anyone, I figured I'd start giving them quarterly "report cards." These are meant to help them improve and give a platform where the different public charging providers can see our feedback. First on the list is ChargePoint. Let me know what you think. I'm also looking to improve the format so it is as informative and useful to EV owners as possible.

https://youtu.be/XUj9ustJioo

You seem to be the most frequent user of CCS stations, and you also know how to use your SOC window to get the most kwh per min of charge... how much do you spend on public fast charging per month including membership fees?

Keith

 

[bro1999]

You seem to be the most frequent user of CCS stations, and you also know how to use your SOC window to get the most kwh per min of charge... how much do you spend on public fast charging per month including membership fees?

Keith

I believe it's $0 for EVgo stations for News.

 

[SparkE]

Shouldn't you be calling it "Report Card(s) for those areas of California that I drive in" ?? (You are basing these "gradings" based on personal experience, aren't you?)

 

[NewsCoulomb]

Shouldn't you be calling it "Report Card(s) for those areas of California that I drive in" ?? (You are basing these "gradings" based on personal experience, aren't you?)

Mostly, but not completely.

 

[Fivedoor]

Hey Eric,

Not trying to be nosy, I asked about your charging costs in relation to my own notion of getting a good used Model S with free supercharging... in your case with your monthly driving cycle I wondered if charging cost vs free supercharging would make it worth swapping. To me a Tesla without a CCS plug only makes sense if you have free SuperCharging.

Keith

 

[USe-car]

After ownership of two Volts, I've used plenty of public chargers. My biggest complaint is that when you come across a public charger that is inoperative, CALL IT IN AND REPORT THE PROBLEM. It's easy to do. Wait until the charger ID scrolls across the screen, then call the toll free number and report it. Don't be afraid.

 

[NoMoPetrol]

...My biggest complaint is that when you come across a public charger that is inoperative, CALL IT IN AND REPORT THE PROBLEM. It's easy to do. Wait until the charger ID scrolls across the screen, then call the toll free number and report it. Don't be afraid.

Even that can produce less than desirable results. Both CCS chargers at Pala Park and Ride on I-15 in N. San Diego County were finally fixed by the first week of December after having one out of commission since June and the second one going down in August. The Chademo side worked fine throughout this time frame, but multiple calls by me others resulted in the months-long delay in repair.

Also included in the this Quixotic episode were phone calls to the manufacturer of the hardware because the site operator, whoever it is, remains unidentified to this day. I was promised return calls on the status of repairs, but never received even one.

 

[NewsCoulomb]

Hey Eric,

Not trying to be nosy, I asked about your charging costs in relation to my own notion of getting a good used Model S with free supercharging... in your case with your monthly driving cycle I wondered if charging cost vs free supercharging would make it worth swapping. To me a Tesla without a CCS plug only makes sense if you have free SuperCharging.

Keith

I'd have to do a full tally at some point, but the math could be very hard to calculate, especially because Tesla doesn't put a specific price tag on Supercharging anymore (that I know of). Even though I'm at nearly 80,000 miles and take frequent long trips, a majority of my miles are still local (fed by my regular charging at work... about 2 cents a mile). Last time I did the calculation, I came up with about 40k to 50k miles on Supercharging (based on a $2,000 upfront fee) to break even with the cost that I pay for public DCFC, so I would just be at that point now.

However, public DCFC does appear to be getting more expensive, but free Supercharging also appears to be going away. The Model 3 comes with a 400 kWh a year allotment, I believe, so that could also be a consideration. But then, outside the Bolt EV, vehicles that charge faster on the current public DCFC pricing will be paying far less.

Basically, I think there are too many factors to consider to give a definitive response, but I'll try to take the time to do a full accounting of my cost of ownership.

After ownership of two Volts, I've used plenty of public chargers. My biggest complaint is that when you come across a public charger that is inoperative, CALL IT IN AND REPORT THE PROBLEM. It's easy to do. Wait until the charger ID scrolls across the screen, then call the toll free number and report it. Don't be afraid.

I'm not sure whether you're implying that I, personally, don't do that, or whether you're just informing the community that they should call for support before simply assuming the charger is broken (to which I agree).

 

[SparkE]

I'm not sure whether you're implying that I, personally, don't do that, or whether you're just informing the community that they should call for support before simply assuming the charger is broken (to which I agree).

North Americans tend to be (well, often are) imprecise with their language, rarely using the term "one" and instead using "you" for the general (or indefinite).

Example : "My biggest complaint is that when you come across a public charger that is inoperative, CALL IT IN AND REPORT THE PROBLEM."

instead of :

My biggest complaint is that when one comes across a public charger that is inoperative, one should CALL IT IN AND REPORT THE PROBLEM.

Many (?most?) European languages have a case/subjective form (or whatever the correct grammatical term is) for the indefinite case.

 

[SparkE]

"on devrait appeler un parent dans ce cas", for example.

 

[Fivedoor]

I'd have to do a full tally at some point, but the math could be very hard to calculate, especially because Tesla doesn't put a specific price tag on Supercharging anymore (that I know of). Even though I'm at nearly 80,000 miles and take frequent long trips, a majority of my miles are still local (fed by my regular charging at work... about 2 cents a mile). Last time I did the calculation, I came up with about 40k to 50k miles on Supercharging (based on a $2,000 upfront fee) to break even with the cost that I pay for public DCFC, so I would just be at that point now.

However, public DCFC does appear to be getting more expensive, but free Supercharging also appears to be going away. The Model 3 comes with a 400 kWh a year allotment, I believe, so that could also be a consideration. But then, outside the Bolt EV, vehicles that charge faster on the current public DCFC pricing will be paying far less.

Basically, I think there are too many factors to consider to give a definitive response, but I'll try to take the time to do a full accounting of my cost of ownership.



I'm not sure whether you're implying that I, personally, don't do that, or whether you're just informing the community that they should call for support before simply assuming the charger is broken (to which I agree).

I was specifically talking about getting a CPO Model S that had the free supercharging for the life of the car. Spend 40K to 60K (depending on trim level and miles) on the used Model S with free supercharging vs keeping your Bolt EV and paying for public CCS charging.

Keith

 

[NewsCoulomb]

I was specifically talking about getting a CPO Model S that had the free supercharging for the life of the car. Spend 40K to 60K (depending on trim level and miles) on the used Model S with free supercharging vs keeping your Bolt EV and paying for public CCS charging.

Keith

In that case, I think it would start paying for itself almost immediately. However, even at the cheapest price you stated, that would be a $10,000 premium to pay back, but it might be completely offset by depreciation.