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The knock on the Leaf (other than its relatively short range which is not an issue for you) is it's lack of thermal management for the battery, resulting in more battery degradation than the Bolt, especially if you live in a hot, cold, or hot and cold climate. If you live near the coast between SF and Seattle, that might not be too much of an issue.
Keep in mind that although the above from a degradation POV was definitely true of the Leaf 24 kWh and 30 kWh packs (esp. the builds before 4/2013 and the 30 kWh pack seems not so good), gen 2 Leafs (model year 2018+) with 40 and 62 kWh packs seem to be holding up better.

I've only heard of 2 40 kWh Leafs that have lost any capacity bars: one in Portugal that is nearing 100K miles (https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=608089#p608089) and the mention of another somewhere w/nearly that many miles: https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=609847#p609847. Some are in hot climates like Phoenix which really killed 24 and 30 kWh packs.

The 62 kWh Plus versions are still kinda new as the first ones shipped in the US around Spring 2019. It shipped here a few months after I bought my '19 Bolt at end of Jan 2019. I knew it was coming and only heard "Spring" from Nissan and nothing more specific.

Nissan still sells both the non-Plus 40 kWh version and Plus 62 kWh versions.

I was active on MNL when https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=10040 happened and actually loaned some equipment to one of the drivers who flew over to Phoenix to help w/that range test. Back then, Leaf had been out only about 21 months and one car was already down 4 capacity bars (~30ish+% capacity loss).
 

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You might have luck looking for a private sale. People who are seeking a buyback may be motivated sellers. Trying to time the market against GM's analysts might be more difficult.

You can reach out to people via private message (called "Conversation" on this platform) by clicking on their name and selecting "Start conversation."
 

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Keep in mind that although the above from a degradation POV was definitely true of the Leaf 24 kWh and 30 kWh packs (esp. the builds before 4/2013 and the 30 kWh pack seems not so good), gen 2 Leafs (model year 2018+) with 40 and 62 kWh packs seem to be holding up better.

I've only heard of 2 40 kWh Leafs that have lost any capacity bars: one in Portugal that is nearing 100K miles (https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=608089#p608089) and the mention of another somewhere w/nearly that many miles: https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=609847#p609847. Some are in hot climates like Phoenix which really killed 24 and 30 kWh packs.

The 62 kWh Plus versions are still kinda new as the first ones shipped in the US around Spring 2019. It shipped here a few months after I bought my '19 Bolt at end of Jan 2019. I knew it was coming and only heard "Spring" from Nissan and nothing more specific.

Nissan still sells both the non-Plus 40 kWh version and Plus 62 kWh versions.

I was active on MNL when https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=10040 happened and actually loaned some equipment to one of the drivers who flew over to Phoenix to help w/that range test. Back then, Leaf had been out only about 21 months and one car was already down 4 capacity bars (~30ish+% capacity loss).
Thanks this is very useful information. There is also some recall in the 2016 or 2017 years for bad batteries. I just worry about ongoing degradation. Something for me to look more into those!
 

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Thanks this is very useful information. There is also some recall in the 2016 or 2017 years for bad batteries. I just worry about ongoing degradation. Something for me to look more into those!
No. There was never such a recall. There was UPDATE - Nissan Has Software Fix For 2016-17 LEAF 30-kWh Battery Reporting Issues.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10143139-9999.pdf (campaign PC630) and NTB18-039 at https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10143483-9999.pdf have more info on that. Prior to this update, we were seeing reports of numerous people who lost 4 capacity bars quite quickly, as bad as or worse than the pre-4/2013 24 kWh packs.

Post-update, they still seem not great and worse than the 24 kWh "lizard" packs. Search https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=17168 for lizard. We had known they were in testing prior to that announcement. BBrockman is from Nissan corporate. Haven't followed if he's still there.

Also, per my post at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=583638#p583638 the 30 kWh packs have been discontinued. See NTB20-001 at https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10171230-0001.pdf. And, yes, I've seen reports of people w/30 kWh packs hitting 8 capacity bars being replaced with 40 kWh packs, which is quite a win.

https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26662 may help.
 

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If you wait until the recall is moving along nicely the prices should come down. Donohoo in Fort Payne AL had 150 a couple of weeks ago. That is a lot of cars to be on the market. I bought my 2020 Premier in January for $21,322 OTD and that is with no tax credits or other handouts. We did use our GM card earnings so which together with the $3,000 bonus earnings saved almost $6,500. That is for a car that sticker for just over $44,000. I could sell it today and make thousands but I'm not! I very much like it and am going to keep it. Have had some hot days here with high humidity, Bolt AC does a good job.

Bolt vs Leaf: Leaf it alone and take the Bolt. Something that is not talked about a lot is the Bolt is a fun car to drive and very sporty. Good pickup and good handling. Its not a Miata but is entertaining to drive. You have some great roads in Idaho and for sure it would be my second pick to take there. My 1st pick would be my motorcycle, wahoo that's fun. I'm really surprised more folks didn't take advantage of the discounts in January thru March. Even without the GM Card earnings I could not have bought a Honda HRV for the same price.

Maybe possibly could happen tax credit. Will not be a big as most want but who knows. I do know that the market will pay a certain amount for the Bolt, tax credit will lower the sales price to what the market will pay.

You have a good story - have to park outside because my wife turned the garage into a gym :) My wife drives a Smart car so I have the rest of her space to park my scooters in :cool:

I would encourage you to look around to find a Bolt to buy. Dont know what your situation is like but I would not hesitate to buy a car some distance away and fly over and buy it and drive it home. Also dealers who sell lots of EV (i.e. Bolts) will probably have a good stock of them. There has been some discussion about dealers that are apparently stocking up on Bolts.
 

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in addition to the buy back vehicles that have to go somewhere (unless GM scraps them due to cost to replace the battery is greater than the value).
Doubtful that they will be scrapped, other than individual vehicles found to be in need of other expensive repairs, since their used car market value appears to substantially exceed the cost of replacing their batteries.

However, repurchased cars may not reappear for sale that quickly if new battery production is prioritized to customer cars and new production cars.
 

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No. There was never such a recall. There was UPDATE - Nissan Has Software Fix For 2016-17 LEAF 30-kWh Battery Reporting Issues.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10143139-9999.pdf (campaign PC630) and NTB18-039 at https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10143483-9999.pdf have more info on that. Prior to this update, we were seeing reports of numerous people who lost 4 capacity bars quite quickly, as bad as or worse than the pre-4/2013 24 kWh packs.

Post-update, they still seem not great and worse than the 24 kWh "lizard" packs. Search https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=17168 for lizard. We had known they were in testing prior to that announcement. BBrockman is from Nissan corporate. Haven't followed if he's still there.

Also, per my post at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=583638#p583638 the 30 kWh packs have been discontinued. See NTB20-001 at https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10171230-0001.pdf. And, yes, I've seen reports of people w/30 kWh packs hitting 8 capacity bars being replaced with 40 kWh packs, which is quite a win.

https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26662 may help.
I stand corrected, not a recall but a warrenty claim for certain years and batteries when the update did not fix the loss of bars! Would love to score a new 40 kWh battery when it was only suppose to be 30!
 

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If you wait until the recall is moving along nicely the prices should come down. Donohoo in Fort Payne AL had 150 a couple of weeks ago. That is a lot of cars to be on the market. I bought my 2020 Premier in January for $21,322 OTD and that is with no tax credits or other handouts. We did use our GM card earnings so which together with the $3,000 bonus earnings saved almost $6,500. That is for a car that sticker for just over $44,000. I could sell it today and make thousands but I'm not! I very much like it and am going to keep it. Have had some hot days here with high humidity, Bolt AC does a good job.

Bolt vs Leaf: Leaf it alone and take the Bolt. Something that is not talked about a lot is the Bolt is a fun car to drive and very sporty. Good pickup and good handling. Its not a Miata but is entertaining to drive. You have some great roads in Idaho and for sure it would be my second pick to take there. My 1st pick would be my motorcycle, wahoo that's fun. I'm really surprised more folks didn't take advantage of the discounts in January thru March. Even without the GM Card earnings I could not have bought a Honda HRV for the same price.

Maybe possibly could happen tax credit. Will not be a big as most want but who knows. I do know that the market will pay a certain amount for the Bolt, tax credit will lower the sales price to what the market will pay.

You have a good story - have to park outside because my wife turned the garage into a gym :) My wife drives a Smart car so I have the rest of her space to park my scooters in :cool:

I would encourage you to look around to find a Bolt to buy. Dont know what your situation is like but I would not hesitate to buy a car some distance away and fly over and buy it and drive it home. Also dealers who sell lots of EV (i.e. Bolts) will probably have a good stock of them. There has been some discussion about dealers that are apparently stocking up on Bolts.
Thanks for your thoughts! 200% agree. I have decided on the Bolt (at least 98.5% sure) now I’ll just be on the lookout for a good deal. I would consider new if I could get the deal you got! Wow
 

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I am in the same boat as the OP. That is, I just sold my Elantra and am looking for a used Bolt. I too am looking at prices and would like to know what the crystal ball has in store for future prices. As an indication of the weird pricing these days, I bought my 2013 Elantra 3 years ago for $8k and sold it a week ago to Carvana for $13k. The problem is that I now have to replace it. However, we are retired and it's not urgent to replace our second car.
One issue I have is that there are some dealers (local and online) that are selling Bolts with no issues. Carvana has a stop-sale on all Bolts, so they are not selling any at the moment. That's a little bit frustrating, however, Carvana seems to have slightly higher pricing than most others. For now I am just watching pricing. For me the sweet spot seems to be either a 2018 Premier or maybe a 2020 LT.
 

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Of course, private party is how one saves money. Way better too because you get maintenance history whereas dealers have no idea how a vehicle was treated.

For reference, November of last year I was seeing 2000 cars nationwide, in May at the lowest inventory there was 280, and now 680. 40% as much inventory... so I'd wait if I could.
 

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It boils down to how many miles you need a day.
I could barely make it to work in a leaf and no place to charge.
You have to remember running the air conditioner or heat or uphill or any other reason even rain can cause your mileage to go down.
 

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GM scrapping them seems less likely given today's news: General Motors, LG Electronics Reach Agreement on Bolt EV Recall Costs.
Agree that this adds to what I think is good news.
As long as there are no problems with my 2017 Bolt in the short term, in the next year (timing obviously unknown) I will have a brand new battery with a restart on its warranty.
I look forward to driving my Bolt long into the future.
I did have a chat conversation with an EV concierge, and hey did confirm that all Bolts will eventually get a replacement. Their recall site should state that more clearly. I'd bet it would halt a bunch of their buy-back requests.
 
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