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Not if someone is looking for actual aero improvements. ...
And you claim to be the guy that can do it!
Because you: "have actual hands-on experience in ecomodding and custom fabrication."
So, lead by example! Post some examples!

I'm worn out with ideas.
Someone even said it was a "Big Joke". :cry:

But, if you were to incorporate even half of my ideas, you sir, would have so much extra range that.... I'm out of ideas....
 

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And you claim to be the guy that can do it!
Because you: "have actual hands-on experience in ecomodding and custom fabrication."
So, lead by example! Post some examples!

I'm worn out with ideas.
Someone even said it was a "Big Joke". :cry:

But, if you were to incorporate even half of my ideas, you sir, would have so much extra range that.... I'm out of ideas....
OK now your just butthurt.
 

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I thought we were adding to the title of this thread...:unsure:. ( I know I was!)(y)

I'm not certain, but 'hypermiling' an EV is not a matter of going easy on the Go Pedal, correct?

0 - 60 MPH:
7 seconds
1 minute
2 minutes
Which uses the most energy?

I'm just not clear on the physics here.
I know ideally you want to limit regen use, but going easy on acceleration might not have a big impact.

I understand 'ecomodding' and aerodynamics, I think....
I used to be into it. Now I drive a really nice EV for very low $/mi. Some of the lowest?
 

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I'm not certain, but 'hypermiling' an EV is not a matter of going easy on the Go Pedal, correct?

0 - 60 MPH:
7 seconds
1 minute
2 minutes
Which uses the most energy? I'm just not clear on the physics here.
Accelerating a given mass to a given speed requires a given energy. Time is not in the equation.

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Accelerating a given mass to a given speed requires a given energy. Time is not in the equation.

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Isn’t that assuming completely efficient conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy? (Actually asking, not trying to look smart). I was always under the impression that mashing the go pedal in a combustion car would result in more wasted energy. Anecdotally I have heard variable acceleration has less impact on EV efficiency, but have no personal data to back that up.
 

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Isn’t that assuming completely efficient conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy? (Actually asking, not trying to look smart). I was always under the impression that mashing the go pedal in a combustion car would result in more wasted energy. Anecdotally I have heard variable acceleration has less impact on EV efficiency, but have no personal data to back that up.
There are some very small losses to heat at a higher current, so mashing the Go pedal will use a tiny bit more energy than pressing lightly on it. But the slightly less but still tiny impact to energy consumption is probably from having a higher average speed over the same distance when you accelerate quickly vs slowly.
 

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I was always under the impression that mashing the go pedal in a combustion car would result in more wasted energy. Anecdotally I have heard variable acceleration has less impact on EV efficiency, but have no personal data to back that up.
ICEs are most efficient in a very narrow range around the torque peak. Fast acceleration which revs the engine to the max shift point does use more fuel. That's why many Japanese cars today are equipped with Continuously Variable Transmissions. These are very good at holding an ICE at torque peak over a wide range of speeds. Many 'muricans don't like CVTs because, "it makes the engine sound different" so the engineers have been ordered to screw up an efficient design by making their CVTs feel as if they're shifting gears.

Subaru pairs the Boxer engine with the CVT automatic for its fuel-saving capabilities. The CVT uses a step-less gear ratio that allows the engine to run in its optimal power range, no matter what speed you maintain, for improved fuel economy and performance. But Subaru adds a manual mode function with steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters that allow the driver to select seven or eight preset ratios depending on the model.
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did not read through the 6 pages of info, but want to subscrb to the thread.
I would think the easiest and no cost way would be to shed some weight.
Get rid of everything you don't need. pull all the seat out (keep the driver's).
Empty the trunk.
Only fill it with electrons half way. :)
 

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0 - 60 MPH:
7 seconds
1 minute
2 minutes
Which uses the most energy?
2 minutes would use less energy if for no other reason than you're spending a greater percentage of your journey at slower speeds where the air resistance doesn't play as big a role.

I suppose you could extrapolate this to: you should accelerate infinitely slowly to get infinite efficiency...
 

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2 minutes would use less energy if for no other reason than you're spending a greater percentage of your journey at slower speeds where the air resistance doesn't play as big a role.

I suppose you could extrapolate this to: you should accelerate infinitely slowly to get infinite efficiency...
I really don't think that is the answer.
You want to get to your destination. Power used from A to B.
You want to get to your cruise speed and set the CC.
Spending 2 minutes to get to that speed will still use more power than getting to speed in 8 seconds, because of the time it takes. (I'm thinking....)
Think, Airliners where they go like a bat out of **** to get to their efficient cruising altitude and then throttle back for the rest of the trip.

More Armchairing....
 

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Where are the actual Physicists when you need them?:unsure:
Let's not get into the exquisite Light Roast Pour Over I just made!!:coffee:

I think the theme here is Ecomodding, which is about spending less on energy to get your azz down the road.

Other than all the aeor mods presented, is there really a driving technique that is the most efficient?
I understand saving your momentum and not using regen if possible.
I don't understand getting your momentum going.
I read there is not much difference between accelerating quickly vs taking a long time to get to your cruise speed, and ultimately it's total power used between A and B.
 

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I really don't think that is the answer.
You want to get to your destination. Power used from A to B.
You want to get to your cruise speed and set the CC.
Spending 2 minutes to get to that speed will still use more power than getting to speed in 8 seconds, because of the time it takes. (I'm thinking....)
Think, Airliners where they go like a bat out of **** to get to their efficient cruising altitude and then throttle back for the rest of the trip.

More Armchairing....
I lean towards @Sean Nelson on this one. I don't think accelerating for a longer period of time uses more energy, because accelerating slowly uses less power. Power is Energy / Time (or Energy = Power x Time).
 

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I don't understand getting your momentum going.
I read there is not much difference between accelerating quickly vs taking a long time to get to your cruise speed, and ultimately it's total power used between A and B.
An EV is much less inefficient accelerating than an ICEV. There is a bit more energy lost, to heat, at high power rates, but you are talking a few percent for seconds out of, say, and hour drive. The totally separate effect on efficiency to the effect acceleration has on average speed from point A to point B. Again, if you take 2 minutes to get to your cruise speed vs 30 seconds, it is still a small part of an hour drive, so would only lower your average speed by a fraction of a mph.
 

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I lean towards @Sean Nelson on this one. I don't think accelerating for a longer period of time uses more energy, because accelerating slowly uses less power. Power is Energy / Time (or Energy = Power x Time).
Absolutely correct. Imagine driving 100 miles from point A to point B. If you take 50 miles to steadily get to 50 mph, you first 50 miles is at an average of 25 mph.
 

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Absolutely correct. Imagine driving 100 miles from point A to point B. If you take 50 miles to steadily get to 50 mph, you first 50 miles is at an average of 25 mph.
Reductio ad absurdum, accelerate so gradually it takes 49 miles to reach 50 MPH and the last mile coasting to a stop. The average speed and energy use is lower than if one accelerated as quickly as possible to 50 MPH and held that for 100 miles. However, the time use is such it will remain theoretical.

This keeps wandering from the fact that mass to speed is a constant not affected by time.

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An EV is much less inefficient accelerating than an ICEV. There is a bit more energy lost, to heat, at high power rates, but you are talking a few percent for seconds out of, say, and hour drive. ..
Right, it's a very low percent lost to heat in the whole system, from battery to motor.
And we're not talking about 100% power take off, like an airliner.
We can hear the tires trying to slip at way less than 100% power, so avoid 'tire losses'.:cool:

This 'Heat Loss' is a curve with % of power.
And it's always there, regardless if you're accelerating with 15% or 75% available power.
If it is ~7% (>what?) at 100%, what is it at a sprightly 70%? And what's the baseline?

What I'm saying is 'Don't ecomod with the Go Pedal.' Enjoy!
You're possibly enjoying for pennies more a week.
I suspect when we're all in automated EV's in tight formation, the acceleration rates will not be slow.
 

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What I'm saying is 'Don't ecomod with the Go Pedal.' Enjoy!
The enjoyable part of driving is the visceral experience of acceleration caused by changes in speed or direction. This is felt when taking off, stopping, and cornering. Traveling at insanely high speed, on a straight, boring interstate, surrounded by hundreds of other drivers, most of who are incompetent at best, and increasingly actively hostile, offers no feeling of acceleration...except in dangerous situations. This, along with the waste of energy, is why I avoid them whenever possible. Driving on scenic, secondary roads at the speed limit, with moments of hard regen and acceleration at stop signs, and cornering without reducing speed, gives maximum pleasure, and still gives higher mi/kWh than the EPA cycle for the Bolt.
 
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