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Trust me, I personally am no fan of the gas tax as I realize who it hurts most. It's poor way to get people to buy EVs IMO.
It doesn't just encourage people to buy EVs. It also motivates some folks to consolidate their trips to avoid unnecessary travel, carpool, and take other measures to reduce gasoline consumption. Those are beneficial outcomes too.

It's best to refer to the State of California as exactly that. The State of California. ;)
What, not the "Great" State of California? My years as a Canadian watching US politicians tells me that there's no such thing as a mere "State", only "Great States". Still don't understand the connection with the Great Lakes, though... ;)
 

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No, they aren't "forced out of the state", and you don't need "a huge pension". Maybe staying in a high rent location like, oh, say, San Francisco or Santa Barbara, might be problematic. If for some bizarre reason you didn't buy a house years ago. But living in (say) Marysville or Susanville shouldn't be a problem. The state of California does NOT tax soc security payments, unlike many other states, so lower income people (relying on soc sec, for example) shouldn't be priced out (of anywhere except the highest rent places in the state). So you might be "forced out" of your *city* (if high rent), but not the state.

And seriously, if you didn't buy your home years ago, you should just ... well, no, I won't finish that. There are SO MANY reasons to buy, *not* doing so is just stupid. And just about anybody can buy - if you can afford rent, you can buy - you just have to put up with roommates (oh, surprise, just like if you rent!). I was famous for going on and on and on to the young hires at work about how important it was to buy *if they thought they would be living in the area for more than 2 years*.

You can't pay for the mortgage yourself? That's why you find other youngsters to whom you rent out rooms in the house you bought. People you work with, people you think you can live with. Let *them* pay the mortgage for *you*.

****, I cycled through several houses. After the first two, I didn't even sell them to "trade up" - I just rented them out after a couple of years of living there, and bought a new place. I sold off the last one about 2 years ago (and I even bought a house in 2012 because the prices were so low, taking out a mortgage on my then-paid-off-house to cover the buy-in).
What in the world is all this about?? Are you afraid too many people are leaving California? I know no one with this concern.

Like I said, I am born and bred California and I have traveled the entire state extensively including through Marysville and Susanville. I have also traveled much of the rest of the USA and even many foreign countries. What I had learned is, California is a very, very nice piece of real estate, probably the best in the States. However it is not the end all and be all for places to live. If you think so, great, but there are places I have traveled to outside of California I dearly love.

Our decision to leave California should not be considered "bashing" California. I will not. I love my state and it really is a great place. Likely it will always be "home" to me, but there are compelling reasons to leave, I have seen other lovely places and I'd like to shake it up and try being something other than a "Californian" for some of my life.
 

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What in the world is all this about?? Are you afraid too many people are leaving California? I know no one with this concern.

Like I said, I am born and bred California and I have traveled the entire state extensively including through Marysville and Susanville. I have also traveled much of the rest of the USA and even many foreign countries. What I had learned is, California is a very, very nice piece of real estate, probably the best in the States. However it is not the end all and be all for places to live. If you think so, great, but there are places I have traveled to outside of California I dearly love.

Our decision to leave California should not be considered "bashing" California. I will not. I love my state and it really is a great place. Likely it will always be "home" to me, but there are compelling reasons to leave, I have seen other lovely places and I'd like to shake it up and try being something other than a "Californian" for some of my life.

One of the greatest benefits of being from California is while traveling internationally. When asked "What the **** is going on with your President", I simply answer "Don't blame me, I'm from California."
 

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Foreign opinion of Trump or US politics in general vary as much as they do here. Plenty of Canadians are "pro Trump", for instance.

I don't have to like Trump to agree with some of his decisions, and I don't have to dislike Trump to disagree with some of his decisions.

According to Wikipedia, CA elected Clinton as the Democratic primary nominee, so CA absolutely played their part in selecting the worst candidate to run against Trump.
 

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Foreign opinion of Trump or US politics in general vary as much as they do here. Plenty of Canadians are "pro Trump", for instance.

I don't have to like Trump to agree with some of his decisions, and I don't have to dislike Trump to disagree with some of his decisions.

According to Wikipedia, CA elected Clinton as the Democratic primary nominee, so CA absolutely played their part in selecting the worst candidate to run against Trump.

I think I better let this one go...
 

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I think I better let this one go...
If I'm wrong then please provide correction.
The thing is, I don't primarily identify myself as an Oregonian, or an "American", or a mixed-race caucasian, or a Libertarian (I actually don't identify with political parties), a rock climber, or even my family name. I identify as Jon; the most specific and accurate way to identify me.

Being an Oregonian doesn't make me a good or bad person. Perhaps some broad prejudice can be applied by that title that would tend to be accurate, but would need to be verified still. For instance, I took this NYT quiz on dialect, and it accurately identified my region of origin as near Portland.

You can assume certain things about me by knowing I'm from Oregon that will tend to be correct, but things like values are difficult to predict based on something as arbitrary as which state I live in.

BTW- I realize your comment was in jest, but I'm trying to elevate the level of discourse. The late night so-called comedians used to be funny, but now their jokes are so lazy that every night they consist of "Trump is the worst", and the audience claps (a sign of agreement, not of humor). We should make fun of Trump (and everyone and everything else), but let's make a real attempt to make it funny.
 

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According to Wikipedia, CA elected Clinton as the Democratic primary nominee, so CA absolutely played their part in selecting the worst candidate to run against Trump.
By the time of the California primary the Democratic (as well as the Republican) primary race was already over, this is how it's been for my entire lifetime. When the rest of the field has already dropped out and got in line it's hardly a surprise when the person who already won wins the remaining formality states.

If for example we had a national primary (which we desperately need) it's far from guaranteed that Clinton would have won in California.

As I recall I wrote in Mickey Mouse in the GOP primary in 2016.
 

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The point at which it became a formality is arbitrary though. If voting started with CA, they likely would have still elected Clinton in the primary, and they still voted for her even if it was a formality, which is still an endorsement.

My real point though isn't that CA is to blame or not to blame for anything, because CA isn't a person. We can't know if someone is a "good" person or a "bad" person because they are from CA, not to mention that 32% of them voted for Trump.

In my ideal world, parties would not exist. People would have to run under their own "party" which is comprised of their platform. We'd have to actually know what their ideals were when voting rather than the braindead process of looking to see if there is a 'D' or 'R' in front of their name.

I don't even agree with my own actions all the time (regret is a healthy emotion), so why would I identify with some political party which couldn't possibly represent my values 100%, and which is comprised of people that have varying views on things (disagreements between individuals within the party).

Back to CA and gas prices, the state has the 3rd highest gasoline tax ($0.477/gallon), with only Washington and Pennsylvania coming in higher. That doesn't include the 2.25% sales tax (roughly 9 more cents) which puts them right at the top. This does not include the federal tax of $0.184/gallon.

BTW- This is the proper way to influence the market to achieve certain environmental goals.

 

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Besides taxes, California has the highest prices because of the ethanol summer blends. California is the only place that makes their specific blend using ethanol and has been experiencing issues with some of their refineries. Some outside refineries may pick up the slack if it becomes economically beneficial for them to do so.
 

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Besides taxes, California has the highest prices because of the ethanol summer blends. California is the only place that makes their specific blend using ethanol and has been experiencing issues with some of their refineries. Some outside refineries may pick up the slack if it becomes economically beneficial for them to do so.
Part of the problem with the refineries here is that they are all really old and it's basically impossible to get approval to build any new ones or even make significant upgrades to the old ones because any major changes (beyond just repairs and maintenance) would require bringing the entire refinery within current pollution standards which is basically impossible because of the extreme cost.

The irony is that if the tree huggers would loosen their death grip just a little bit the oil companies would gladly upgrade the refineries which would make them more efficient (profitable), safer AND cleaner than they are now.
 

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Oh man I got F'n tents on my kids way to school. No they are not gone.. Yes mentally unstable folks, some of them. As the neighborhood kids could tell you from firsthand accounts.

Yeah and about those gas prices... high enough for ya? I wouldn't know. :p
 

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I've got a company car and company gas card. I stop at the stations with the best prices, but I don't pay attention to what the price is.

The bad thing is that I have no financial motivation to reduce fuel consumption based on this perk. I've got at least 3 years left with the Mazda CX-5.

That said, I still plan to buy an EV once I get a house.
 

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In my ideal world, parties would not exist. People would have to run under their own "party" which is comprised of their platform.
I'm not into political science, but it's my understanding that in a system of government with lots of representatives there's a need for them to have to lobby their colleagues to support measures they hope to pass. This need ends up evolving into formalized political parties. So I'm not sure that that your ideal world is one that can actually exist...
 

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I think I better let this one go...
I'm not into political science, but it's my understanding that in a system of government with lots of representatives there's a need for them to have to lobby their colleagues to support measures they hope to pass. This need ends up evolving into formalized political parties. So I'm not sure that that your ideal world is one that can actually exist...
Within a political party, members (individuals) take a vote on a variety of issues, with the popular vote becoming their resolution.

The same can happen with a group of independants. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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