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Sold 2017 Bolt ..back to ICE

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Sold my Bolt...wasnt planning on it until late winter early spring waiting for Blazer/Equinox.

Worked out great for both of us, he totaled his 2017 Bolt and wanted another for doing UBer Eats, he fly from Las Vegas to Minneapolis and drove it back to Las Vegas!.

I purchased a 2015 Nissan Altima until the Equinox comes out. Nice looking car , getting great MPG.. drover 304 miles and have 307 left 25% city /75% HWY
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So the Altima just needs to get me by for a year as the Equinox is released



My Bolt works great in the summer for running rideshare Uber/Lyft but pain in the backside fall, winterdid not want to do another winter with the Bolt .

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How many miles did your Bolt have on it? Wonder what the yearly fuel costs are going to be (Bolt vs. Altima).
Sure you dont want to wait 2yrs to let them work the bugs out of that new platform?
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How many miles did your Bolt have on it? Wonder what the yearly fuel costs are going to be (Bolt vs. Altima).
Hey Dave The issue is less about fuel and more about range and fueling times. Driving Range for the Bolt 120-180 Winter...and to get back to 80% is 1 1/2. So for a year it will be fine. I was less worried with the Bolt over the Summer but do not want another winter in it.. which is just 6 months away here in Minnesoat :eek:
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Hey Dave The issue is less about fuel and more about range and fueling times. Driving Range for the Bolt 120-180 Winter...and to get back to 80% is 1 1/2. So for a year it will be fine. I was less worried with the Bolt over the Summer but do not want another winter in it.. which is just 6 months away here in Minnesoat :eek:
Your Uber application in worst case winter, yeah, we get it the Bolt was not a good fit. Having said that, I've had some Japanese cars which wouldn't put out enough heat to keep the windshield defrosted in worst case winter. YMMV.

jack vines
The older model 2003 Altima didn't put heat into the cabin if the engine is idle. It has to move.
I learned that when I got stuck in the winter on the highway. The cabin was getting colder by the minute :( I don't know whether Nissan have modified that design or not.
Also, the fuel injector pushes a lot of fuel when it's cold. So once you turn on the engine while cold, you'd better warm it up until the engine consumes the excess fuel from the injector. I learned that the hard way in the winter. I had run the engine for a minute before turning it off. Then I couldn't turn on the engine anymore. I had to call tow truck. The driver was really nice. He told me that secret, since he had had many encounters with Altima.
The older model 2003 Altima didn't put heat into the cabin if the engine is idle. It has to move.
I learned that when I got stuck in the winter on the highway. The cabin was getting colder by the minute :( I don't know whether Nissan have modified that design or not.
Also, the fuel injector pushes a lot of fuel when it's cold. So once you turn on the engine while cold, you'd better warm it up until the engine consumes the excess fuel from the injector. I learned that the hard way in the winter. I had run the engine for a minute before turning it off. Then I couldn't turn on the engine anymore. I had to call tow truck. The driver was really nice. He told me that secret, since he had had many encounters with Altima.
Your Uber application in worst case winter, yeah, we get it the Bolt was not a good fit. Having said that, I've had some Japanese cars which wouldn't put out enough heat to keep the windshield defrosted in worst case winter. YMMV.

jack vines
3 years..not like I didnt try ;) As long as the Equinox is going to get 300 Miles , 150kW charging and heat pump..that would be great. Another thing is Percondition battery (heatup) on the way to charger!! Looks like the ev automakers are finally getting the message on perconditioning.. The Ioniq 5 got thier update.. just amazing difference Jack....

@OneEV: I'm waiting for the Equinox, too. I saw the Bolt for what it was ... a Commuter ... and it would've been fine for me for that purpose ... but I've already got a zero-cost, fully-depreciated Commuter (2002 Impala, bought brand new, with almost 253,000 miles on it now). Didn't need another Commuter.

So ... we'll see what the Equinox brings. But I'm not holding my breath because I'm expecting the worst! The initial Equinox will have a totally "off-the-charts" price ... way more than I would ever consider paying for any automobile ... and then the mid-trim Equinox (that I'd be interested in) will very likely be pushing $40k ... and then it'll depend on how much I can get that number down.

But if they won't budge on it ... it'll be another gas vehicle for me. I don't care ...
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Your Uber application in worst case winter, yeah, we get it the Bolt was not a good fit. Having said that, I've had some Japanese cars which wouldn't put out enough heat to keep the windshield defrosted in worst case winter. YMMV.

jack vines
The 2015 Altima has a 2.5 4 cyl. standard. Unless the heating system is really terrible, heat output should be fine. I'm in Minnesota too, and I've had older Civics with the 1.6 and they were fine, as was my 2006 Mazda 3 with a 2.0.

My 2011 Cruze Eco with a 1.4, really needs to get warmed up before I turn on the heater fan. If I do it too soon on a cold winter day, the temperature gauge heads back down. 🥶

I'm guessing my neighbor to the north @OneEV , will be just fine with the Altima.
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@OneEV: I'm waiting for the Equinox, too. I saw the Bolt for what it was ... a Commuter ... and it would've been fine for me for that purpose ... but I've already got a zero-cost, fully-depreciated Commuter (2002 Impala, bought brand new, with almost 253,000 miles on it now). Didn't need another Commuter.

So ... we'll see what the Equinox brings. But I'm not holding my breath because I'm expecting the worst! The initial Equinox will have a totally "off-the-charts" price ... way more than I would ever consider paying for any automobile ... and then the mid-trim Equinox (that I'd be interested in) will very likely be pushing $40k ... and then it'll depend on how much I can get that number down.

But if they won't budge on it ... it'll be another gas vehicle for me. I don't care ...
The other option is a Used Ioniq 5 ..if the prices fall like they should considering all the new ones coming out..including the Ioniq 6. I'd go with the Ioniq 5 simply for the amazing charging speed AND the fact that they add winter Pre heating for the battery
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Your Uber application in worst case winter, yeah, we get it the Bolt was not a good fit. Having said that, I've had some Japanese cars which wouldn't put out enough heat to keep the windshield defrosted in worst case winter. YMMV.

jack vines
Did those cars, by any chance, begin with the letter H? I recall it took my hybrid CRV about 7 minutes in the winter (in northern VA, not MN!) to start blowing lukewarm air, and it never got really warm. One of the reasons why I got rid of it before it even hit 20K miles.

@OneEV; Oh, I don't know if in 1 year from now the Equinox will be quite ready for you (since you are not allergic to ICE vehicles, so are not under pressure to buy a BEV just because it doesn't have an ICE).

Today every manufacturer seems to be struggling with getting EVs to the market on time, and to ramp up production to the levels, necessary for keeping up with the demand. This means it would be hard to get a good bargain for the first year or two. Also, I feel GM will find a way to ensure the all trims of the Equinox EV is equipped with a generous suite of OEM bugs that will take a year or two to unbug. All in all, now being 2023, I think it would be sometime towards the end of 2025 when we should give the Equinox a good look.
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…..Minneapolis….My Bolt works great in the summer for running rideshare Uber/Lyft but pain in the backside fall, winterdid not want to do another winter with the Bolt .
Hope I can get a Bolt next year. I live as far north as you do, but our western Washington state winters are warmer than yours, so I think my Bolt winters will be OK.…..specially since I’m retired. If the mornings are too cold, I just roll over in bed & go back to sleep. ☃⛄
Hope the CVT holds up in the Altima for the length of time the OP needs the car. It seems CVTs in Nissans (they all come from https://www.jatco.co.jp/english/company/profile.html due to ownership) have a bad rep. I'm not clear if it's well-deserved or not.

I say this as being somewhat of a fan of Nissan even though I no longer have one. I've had four Nissans before, two of the them were Leafs. None had a CVT though.
Sold my Bolt...wasnt planning on it until late winter early spring waiting for Blazer/Equinox.

Worked out great for both of us, he totaled his 2017 Bolt and wanted another for doing UBer Eats, he fly from Las Vegas to Minneapolis and drove it back to Las Vegas!.

I purchased a 2015 Nissan Altima until the Equinox comes out. Nice looking car , getting great MPG.. drover 304 miles and have 307 left 25% city /75% HWY
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So the Altima just needs to get me by for a year as the Equinox is released



My Bolt works great in the summer for running rideshare Uber/Lyft but pain in the backside fall, winterdid not want to do another winter with the Bolt .
How many miles did you have on the Bolt? What trim? How much did you sell it for?
….Hope the CVT holds up in the Altima for the length of time the OP needs the car. It seems CVTs in Nissans…….have a bad rep.……I say this as being somewhat of a fan of Nissan…….
I had the Nissan Jatco CVT in my Dodge Caliber that was excellent. On many mountain pass slopes, it was wonderful, as it selected the perfect “gear” for all differing slopes & speeds.

One time, I was first car, with my CVT in “L low mode“, in a line of cars behind a really really slowpoke car onto the Freeway. As soon as was legal, I swept quickly around the slowpoke. On the Freeway with my CVT back in “standard gearing mode”, I resumed my usual slower (but not slowpoke) speed in the right lane. About 30 seconds later, a car in the faster Freeway lane to my left, drove up beside me & gave me a thumbs-up for my quick passing. Yeah, the Dodge Caliber in the L mode, was fairly quick, not needing to ”shift” during 10MPH to 50MPH acceleration & losing time.

Also, in stop&go&stop traffic, the CVT was the best & smoothest transmission, not needing to continuously shift like a geared transmission from 1st gear to 2nd gear & back to 1st. Tho we have two 6speed manual & automatic Hyundai Elantras now that we love, I miss the elegance of the CVT.
Hopefully when I can afford a Chevy Bolt, I’ll get that elegance again.
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The other option is a Used Ioniq 5 ..if the prices fall like they should considering all the new ones coming out..including the Ioniq 6. I'd go with the Ioniq 5 simply for the amazing charging speed AND the fact that they add winter Pre heating for the battery
I don't know if the prices on those are coming down soon. The Hyundai and Kia owners generally think it's still 2020 and their car is an investment that will go up in value. Hella frustrating because I'd love to get an EV6, but can't justify dropped 50-65 grand when I'm working from home. So I'll just keep getting coffee in my Volt.
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I get it... driving Uber/Lyft will put some real miles on any car. I started doing Door Dash a little while ago, and it's easy to put on 100 miles in a 3 or 4 hour shift. And that's just moving food from restaurant to customer. People, on the other hand, want to move from town to town... go to the airport... etc. People might think there is time to stop and charge, but (ideally, at least) the calls come in one after the other. If I drove an ICE car, I would still have to pause my DD shift just to go to the gas station. Fortunately, my shifts never exceed my range, so I don't have to worry about that. Even on a day like today when I do the lunch shift and the dinner shift... my car will charge back to full at home on a 32 amp EVSE long before I have to leave for the dinner shift.

The TLDR is that if you have a job that requires you to drive beyond the EV/EUV range and you don't have a break to charge... then you may need to look for another vehicle. I must say that I'd be a lot more hesitant to do any gig driving if I had an ICE... maybe a Prius or similar hybrid, but that would still cost at least twice as much as a Bolt to drive.
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Sure you dont want to wait 2yrs to let them work the bugs out of that new platform?
I'm not sure it's going to be as bad as it would be for a new ICE paltform. They've already had plenty of years with the Bolt batteries as well as lessons learned about battery fires, etc. Hopefully those lessons learned will apply to the Ultium platform. As far as mechanical, hopefully the larger more heavy vehicles will get heavy duty engineering. I suspect that I'll have less issues with the Ultium platform than I did with my Saturn that came with the first supercharged 4-banger and performance suspension. I'm looking forward to having a larger vehicle that isn't going to be subject to expensive gas prices.
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I'm looking forward to having a larger vehicle that isn't going to be subject to expensive gas prices.
But it is going to be subject to a much higher up-front purchase price (for the same size-class ICE vehicle) ... so you have to overcome that up-front over-payment before you can say you're saving any real money ...
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