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Yes, Musk's pedo response is too Trumpish to ignore. No one said that running big business, and constantly playing PR is good for either your mental or physical health. That is especially true, if you consider yourself more of a scientist, even the Edison type.
 

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This is meaningless. The uber-wealthy understand fully that in a 2-party system - where the voters are too lazy, to tribal, to uninformed, to Susceptible to being controlled like mindless drones by contrived emotional stimulus, and to scared to create and/or vote for other parties - owning our government is child's play. Donate to both so-called parties and guarantee that you always win.

Elon, like any magnate with half a brain, "donates" to both parties.

We get the government we deserve.
 

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This is meaningless. The uber-wealthy understand fully that in a 2-party system - where the voters are too lazy, to tribal, to uninformed, to Susceptible to being controlled like mindless drones by contrived emotional stimulus, and to scared to create and/or vote for other parties - owning our government is child's play. Donate to both so-called parties and guarantee that you always win.

Elon, like any magnate with half a brain, "donates" to both parties.

We get the government we deserve.
Exactly. Elon has too big of an ego to be committed to one political flavor or another. He is committed to his own agendas, and everyone else is either a potential ally, or his enemy.
 

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This is meaningless. The uber-wealthy understand fully that in a 2-party system - where the voters are too lazy, to tribal, to uninformed, to Susceptible to being controlled like mindless drones by contrived emotional stimulus, and to scared to create and/or vote for other parties - owning our government is child's play. Donate to both so-called parties and guarantee that you always win.

Elon, like any magnate with half a brain, "donates" to both parties.

We get the government we deserve.
Exactly. Elon has too big of an ego to be committed to one political flavor or another. He is committed to his own agendas, and everyone else is either a potential ally, or his enemy.
Committed to personal agendas. Just like Trump!
 

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Both goof balls but one is just dangerous because now he happens to occupy the Oval Office. However I have way more respect for Elon because he has built a real business. Trumper has just flipped properties, exploited bankruptcy loop holes and stiffed creditors-basically equivelient to medicate fraud...
 

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Committed to personal agendas. Just like Trump!
... because sharing 1 character trait makes a person exactly like another. :rolleyes:

Do you eat breakfast in the morning? ... ah ha! Just like Nazis!

My point is that these comparisons, while sometimes funny and entertaining, are utter garbage from a rational point of view.

There are often character traits of highly successful people that are disgusting, if we haven't noticed the trend from people like Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg...

People utterly failing to support themselves also often have disgusting character traits. We've all got character flaws, just certain positions within society tends to consolidate those types of flaws.
 

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Exactly. Elon has too big of an ego to be committed to one political flavor or another. He is committed to his own agendas, and everyone else is either a potential ally, or his enemy.
Yes, and it’s surprising how cheaply the average politician can be bought.

As Rick says in Casablanca, “I don't mind a parasite. I object to a cut-rate one.”
 

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This is meaningless. The uber-wealthy understand fully that in a 2-party system - where the voters are too lazy, to tribal, to uninformed, to Susceptible to being controlled like mindless drones by contrived emotional stimulus, and to scared to create and/or vote for other parties - owning our government is child's play. Donate to both so-called parties and guarantee that you always win.

Elon, like any magnate with half a brain, "donates" to both parties.

We get the government we deserve.

I think you meant the "too-party system".
 

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Actually it was a "stripper", but I ordered the $750 high capacity charger option. I was told that I would have to wait for a month for the new car, but somebody else had ordered the same thing, and backed out upon delivery. So I got that one. I always order "stripper" cars with the idea that if that model has good bones, the "stripper" will be fine. Always works...
 

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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/07/tesla-drops-35000-price-from-model-3-page-insists-plans-havent-changed/

wow - simply wow - not surprising - but they actually went there - this will be some more fun to watch!
I’m shocked! Shocked!
That's what they should have done from the beginning, instead of duping people into thinking the 35k 3 would be available soon after launch.
"Model 3 achieves up to 310 miles of range while starting at only $35,000 before incentives"

I am not quite sure how, but apparently hundreds of thousands of grown-up people somehow understood this as a promise of a $35K car … the joke is on them, though. Consider this: would any person in their right mind interpret the phrase below as a false advertisement? No-one would ever assume it says you can get a mcmansion for the starting price.

"In our town, you can buy a home up to 4,000 square feet, starting at only $69,000.00
This is the sound of slow back peddling.
Let's see. 400,000 put down $1,000 or a $400,000,000 no interest loan to Tesla on the promise of a $35,000 car. Hmmm. Smart marketing or consumer fraud?:nerd:
Obviously I can't speak for others, but in my case, I never left a $1000 deposit to wait for a base model 3, nor did I give the timing of it any thought. The comparison in my mind was never to a $35k car, or when it might be available as compared to a fully dressed Model 3. The comparison I was making was to the $100k+ model S that was available at the time I made my deposit. If I had to guess, I would say that the known performance of the then 2016 Model S was at least a factor in all the hype generated at the Model 3 launch, and that a good chunk of the half million that put a deposit down saw the Model 3, even fully dressed, as an economical way to get a similar driving experience with excellent range by todays standards.

I know there are people that placed a deposit with the expectation that they will be able to buy a $35k car right away, but at a time when Tesla needs to slow the cash burn to a stop, that expectation is obviously still out of reach. The only recourse at this time is to take back the deposit and reenter when it becomes available. In terms of the base model 3 ever becoming available, Tesla will still have to remain competitive in an ever increasing competitive EV market. With the number of new models soon to arrive along with phaseout of the US Fed credit, Tesla will need the base Model 3 as an option if they want to keep production above 20k/week.
 

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Before you jump to your typical conclusions concerning Musk or Tesla, you should probably get all the facts first.
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort

Do me a favor and read this in it's entirely and explain to me how Musk should have handled being asked to participate and the subsequent contributions.

If you still think of him as a bonehead for the pedo comment, it may brighten your day to know he apologized for lashing out in anger and under the circumstances I don't blame him especially when you consider:
1. Each of the criticisms that the diver made were false
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2. He suggested forcing the submarine in an orifice of Elon's that is known as a pedo friendly environment.

In hindsight, he should have just kept his mouth shut and let the facts sift to the surface and discredit the diver on their own.
 

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...In hindsight, he should have just kept his mouth shut and let the facts sift to the surface and discredit the diver on their own.
Dyefrog, it has been an education for me to learn that placing any one of the following words: Elon, Musk, or Tesla in the title of a news article can and will generate an emotional response almost measurable on the Richter scale. Maybe in hindsight Elon should stop trying to be so helpful as I am sure the people of Puerto Rico would agree with.
 

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Yeah. Elon Musk is a human being. Given huge amounts of money, and public attention, none of us would come out looking good.

While I think his/our emphasis on electric cars as somehow saving us is like the Maginot line, better that than just building ICE supercars, which he could have done.
 

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Yeah. Elon Musk is a human being. Given huge amounts of money, and public attention, none of us would come out looking good.
Elon also has a bit-o PT Barnum showman in him... and that's what gets him in trouble.


People like their billionaires to be quiet and to fly under the radar ( Bill Gates) vs. SuperMusk to the rescue!
 
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