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It apparently doesn't matter if you put down a deposit 6 months in advance and become the first reservation at a major Bay Area dealer. Reservations numbers 1-5 are sitting in Milpitas where they've been for an entire week. Reservations 6-24-ish were delivered over the last three days. Many happy bolt owners have been streaming out of the San Jose dealers. Just not me.

Just ten minutes ago I got the official word that it won't happen -- they won't have my Bolt for me before 2016 is over and as such I cannot claim the tax break. Because they can't seem to find anybody to ship it the last 8 miles from Milpitas and supposedly have no control what order they're sent over in. The manager there steadfastly refuses to let me do the finances based on the VIN even though I've had the VIN for nearly a full month now.

Without the 2016 tax break, I'm not buying it. Having that $7500 tax hit apply to this year's deductions was a core part of the purchase plan for me. It was the reason I went to so much effort to get first in line and be a responsible buyer. Feeling rather screwed over by GM at the moment, yeah. The dealer also doesn't care in the least as they know that the moment I walk away from the deal there will be a line of others to snap it right up; no sweat off their back whatsoever. Watching the salesman go "well, er, sorry!" and give a goofy smile just makes it sting a little more. This was going to be the first Chevy I'd ever bought, and all this does is continue to teach me to avoid this company.

So, whoever ends up getting the nice blue Premier bolt that ends in VIN 2016, do enjoy. At least I still have my Tesla3 reservation. Who knows; maybe that'll come out before 2020.
 

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Same boat here - I was first to sign up for my dealer (they're getting an allotment of around 80 spread over their dealerships) - yet my car won't arrive until next Friday. Other smaller dealers (who only got an allotment of 10-15) got their Bolts delivered 2-3 days ago.

Oh well - at least my dealer let me buy the vehicle with all the paperwork and DMV registration/title/etc. yesterday so everything on the car shows 12/30/16. Even my insurance company now has the VIN for my policy. I'm going to file for the tax credit next month and hope the IRS isn't going to crack down hard on audits (if there is a repeal and it's retroactive, the IRS tends to get REALLY picky).
 

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A quirk of GM's production and it may be the same for other manufacturers too. The VIN numbers are generated in sequence, but actual production is not. The VINs are just paperwork and are created when the order is processed into their computer systems. However actual production of the vehicle is dependent on how the car is optioned.

My experience with the Pontiac Solstice was that production priority seemed to be based mostly on paint color. So cars are actually produced out of order according to their VINs. Basically, placing an order first does not mean you will get your car first.

As to delivery, the transportation companies contracted with are not controlled by GM, or your dealership. They do what they do presumably due to their own logistics. It is too bad there isn't more flexibility in the system but it is what it is. You can rant at your dealer and GM all you want, but once it's in transit, actual delivery date is out of their hands.

This is all Deja Vu to me. Back when people were waiting for the very first Pontiac Solstices there were similar frustrations voiced, only back then there was no $7500 tax credit.
 

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I'm in a similar boat. My Bolt has been sitting at Mira Loma over a week, and won't get to the dealer till Monday at the earliest. What the ****.
Me too. I did "buy" my car today, but won't see it till early next week. Sitting at Mira Loma, waiting for delivery. My dealer (in Orange County) tells me he investigated with the shipping company today. He learned that union rules allow up to 3 days before they have to truck the car to the dealer. He pointed out that it's been well over 3 days already, to which the trucker replied: "Yeah, what's your point?" Dealer complained loudly, and got a commitment to have his Bolts delivered "no later than Tuesday." At least that's what they told me. It would have been nice to take delivery before the tax year end, but I expect the chances of any problem with the tax credit are pretty minimal.
 

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If you wait for the Tesla 3 in 2020 you won't be getting a tax credit either. Even if you got it in 2019 you probably won't see a tax credit, or it'll be almost nothing.

I do feel your pain because I'm a similar situation as you. I ordered on 10/11, I was #17 at the dealership. My car was produced before Thanksgiving. But it is still stuck in Quality Control back at the factory. I probably won't get my car for at least 2 weeks even if it made it on a train yesterday. While I would have liked to have gotten the car in the 2016 tax year, I can still reap the benefits by lowering my withholding this coming year. It's spread out over a longer term, but I can still take advantage of it.

As others have pointed out, it's not GM's fault, or the dealership's fault that the transportation company was unable to make the deliveries. It's also unfortunate that other people who ordered after you got their Bolts first. But you ordered a specific car with a particular configuration and was given a specific order number and VIN for that car. So you have to wait for that car to come in, just as I have to wait for my specific car to come into the dealership despite there being a Kinetic Blue Metallic Premier with all the options on my dealer's lot right now that perfectly matches my configuration but doesn't have the right VIN.
 

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Me too. I did "buy" my car today, but won't see it till early next week. Sitting at Mira Loma, waiting for delivery. My dealer (in Orange County) tells me he investigated with the shipping company today. He learned that union rules allow up to 3 days before they have to truck the car to the dealer. He pointed out that it's been well over 3 days already, to which the trucker replied: "Yeah, what's your point?" Dealer complained loudly, and got a commitment to have his Bolts delivered "no later than Tuesday." At least that's what they told me. It would have been nice to take delivery before the tax year end, but I expect the chances of any problem with the tax credit are pretty minimal.
Legally, you can't take the tax credit until the year that the dealer signs over possession of the car at delivery, regardless of what the purchase date is. :(
 

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Legally, you can't take the tax credit until the year that the dealer signs over possession of the car at delivery, regardless of what the purchase date is. :(
Legally, that's approximately correct - the car must be "placed in service" by the end of the tax year for which the credit is taken. Dealer signatures are not relevant.

Now, ask me if I care. ;)
 

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Legally, that's approximately correct - the car must be "placed in service" by the end of the tax year for which the credit is taken. Dealer signatures are not relevant.

Now, ask me if I care. ;)
How come GM has posting the tax credit as a selling point if only a few people are technically qualified to get the credit?
 

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How come GM has posting the tax credit as a selling point if only a few people are technically qualified to get the credit?
It is a selling point. Most purchasers are technically qualified to get the credit. But many people will qualify for it in 2017, rather than in the 2016 tax year.
 

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If the tax credit is repealed this year, then none of us will get it. So do you file for it and hope you don't get caught, or do you potentially eat $7500?

Or maybe... just maybe you've got an understanding dealer who will backdate the spot delivery form.
 

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Flashing $7500 credits in front of consumers with asterisks is misleading, if not technically false advertising. You're clearly getting the consumer believing the car will be equivalently $7500 less than the MSRP, then not delivering the car in the same tax year, not allowing anywhere near that discount for leasing (only $2500 of the $7500), and not explaining that if you have no $7500 of tax liability, you'll only be realizing up to any amount of tax you owe rebated. I fear that GM won't have many "purchasers" of ~$40k Honda Fit like vehicles (about $700/mo for a Honda Fit like car), will continue snubbing potential lessors and will scrap a promising future in EVs.
 

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Flashing $7500 credits in front of consumers with asterisks is misleading, if not technically false advertising. You're clearly getting the consumer believing the car will be equivalently $7500 less than the MSRP, then not delivering the car in the same tax year, not allowing anywhere near that discount for leasing (only $2500 of the $7500), and not explaining that if you have no $7500 of tax liability, you'll only be realizing up to any amount of tax you owe rebated. I fear that GM won't have many "purchasers" of ~$40k Honda Fit like vehicles (about $700/mo for a Honda Fit like car), will continue snubbing potential lessors and will scrap a promising future in EVs.
At some point, the responsibility shifts to the consumer.

Many of the issues we see today come back to "It's somebody else's fault! And THEY MUST PAY ME!"

Can they also sue if they only get 237 miles of range? Or because GM advertised 2016 availability and their local dealer won't get them until 2017? Or that the advertised price did not include Sales Tax? Registration Fees? Unfortunately, the answer is often yes. Worse yet, they sometimes win. That's how we get labels on disposable lighters warning you not to put it in your pocket when it is lit. You can't fix stupid - and sometimes stupid should HURT.

If you don't like the lease offer from GM Financial, there are many other sources for leasing (but the payments are likely to be higher even if they give you the $7500 as a CCR). You're not locked in to leasing from them, anymore than they would be your only financing choice. If the APR GM Financial offers is higher than your credit union, are they ripping you off? Can you then sue them? Or would a reasonable person explore other options and then make a decision?

Much of your complaint is that you want the Tax Credit to be a POS rebate, and that is completely out of GM's (or any manufacturers control). There has (had now that the political climate has changed) been a faction pushing for such a change. Or at least make it assignable to another party - Colorado now does this (as of today).

If the Bolt costs more than you can afford or are willing to pay, then don't purchase or lease it. It really is that simple. It's not GM's fault.
 

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I'm not whining, nor suggesting any lawsuits. Not suggesting "they must pay me", but questioning their logic when a Bolt lease costs $489/mo. I mean, seriously, they're leasing a 2017 Honda Fit for $139. Apples and oranges? Not really. It is directly GM's decision (and the dealer told me this) to give Volt buyers ~$6250 of the tax credit toward the lease, but only $2500 toward the Bolt lease "because they don't have to". Other manufacturers have commonly decided to pass along most if not all of the credit, this is under their control. Why make excuses for GM's behavior here? Of course it's the buyer's responsibility to learn of this before they purchase. And like it, or not. It just suggests that they're not really trying to do any volume on this car. That ultimately hurts the whole EV market, at a time this car could be poised to bring EVs mainstream.
 

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I'm not whining, nor suggesting any lawsuits. Not suggesting "they must pay me", but questioning their logic when a Bolt lease costs $489/mo. I mean, seriously, they're leasing a 2017 Honda Fit for $139. Apples and oranges? Not really. It is directly GM's decision (and the dealer told me this) to give Volt buyers ~$6250 of the tax credit toward the lease, but only $2500 toward the Bolt lease "because they don't have to". Other manufacturers have commonly decided to pass along most if not all of the credit, this is under their control. Why make excuses for GM's behavior here? Of course it's the buyer's responsibility to learn of this before they purchase. And like it, or not. It just suggests that they're not really trying to do any volume on this car. That ultimately hurts the whole EV market, at a time this car could be poised to bring EVs mainstream.
Right now: demand > supply = "they don't have to". Trying to read them not wanting to sell the car in volume into this is bogus.

Don't like the lease terms offered by GM Financial? Find another source.

And if you owned a bank - would you pass on a $7500 credit that Congress could retroactively eliminate?
 

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How come GM has posting the tax credit as a selling point if only a few people are technically qualified to get the credit?
All you need is $58K of taxable income as a single filer with no deductions to qualify. If you are married filing jointly, you just need $77K of taxable income...
 

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If the tax credit is repealed this year, then none of us will get it. So do you file for it and hope you don't get caught, or do you potentially eat $7500?

Or maybe... just maybe you've got an understanding dealer who will backdate the spot delivery form.
Do you have proof that the tax credit will be repealed this year? So far there's been a lot of speculation, but no concrete proof. No proposed legislation. No public statements from Trump that he wants to repeal the EV credit. If such a repeal were to go through, it likely would not take effect until the following tax year. A retroactive tax credit repeal would likely require a lot of political capital to pull off, and would be be challenged in court.
 

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Do you have proof that the tax credit will be repealed this year? So far there's been a lot of speculation, but no concrete proof. No proposed legislation. No public statements from Trump that he wants to repeal the EV credit. If such a repeal were to go through, it likely would not take effect until the following tax year. A retroactive tax credit repeal would likely require a lot of political capital to pull off, and would be be challenged in court.
And Trump cannot change the Tax Code - that is up to Congress. From all indications, the Republicans are not 100% behind Trump and all he stands for, so probably no "rubber stamp" on everything he proposes. Could the EV credit be changed? Yes - and may even be a "by-product" in a bigger package.

Re: the retroactive tax changes. It has been done in the past and stood up to court challenges. Politically messy, but legal.
 

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And Trump cannot change the Tax Code - that is up to Congress. From all indications, the Republicans are not 100% behind Trump and all he stands for, so probably no "rubber stamp" on everything he proposes. Could the EV credit be changed? Yes - and may even be a "by-product" in a bigger package.

Re: the retroactive tax changes. It has been done in the past and stood up to court challenges. Politically messy, but legal.
There's been retroactive changes, yes, but usually in implementing a tax that was previously announced, not removing a tax credit.

I still think that if they do decide to repeal the tax credit, it won't be this year, and it won't be retroactive to 2017 or 2016. They have bigger fish to fry than a EV tax credit that is a drop in the bucket in terms of the overall federal budget.
 
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