[LCTROID]

Sorry, didn't have the time to read through all the posts yet...

Does this mean the tax credit might be returning? Discontinued old model of car, now releasing new model/version of car with different battery.

 

[ARob]

Sorry, didn't have the time to read through all the posts yet...

Does this mean the tax credit might be returning? Discontinued old model of car, now releasing new model/version of car with different battery.

All of the Ultium models, and the current 2023 Bolt qualify for the full $7500 credit, so yes it should continue.

Old model fell under the old law that was superseded by the IRA last year that went into effect this January.

 

[bobdole888]

Does this also mean that when my 2023 Bolt EVU battery wears out I'll be able to replace it with an Ultium battery?

I don't know what's the fascination on ultium battery. I don't think it's going to be superior than the bolt battey by any significant manner. I think it's just mainly cheaper to make. I was hoping that GM would go into LFP battery tech, so they can avoid battery fire risks.

 

[ARob]

I don't know what's the fascination on ultium battery. I don't think it's going to be superior than the bolt battey by any significant manner. I think it's just mainly cheaper to make. I was hoping that GM would go into LFP battery tech, so they can avoid battery fire risks.

The primary benefit is Ultium systems are a better thermodynamic design, should be more efficient by recovering heat in the winter, and should come with a heat pump. The better thermo design along with higher amp rated components used in Ultium should help with DCFC speeds too.

 

[FlyingMachineEV]

67kWh Ultium skateboard, a bit longer range (~275 miles), much faster 150kW DCFC, NACS-type charge port, all at a low, entry-level price (with the federal tax credit).

As soon as it gets here, a New Bolt EV has the potential to be the EV game-changer that everyone has been waiting for.

Curious compared to the current 2023 EUV that I have it takes about 45 minutes to go from 20% to 80%. Under the stats you have quoted above, how long do you think it would take to charge ? Thanks

 

[mrcleop]

Curious compared to the current 2023 EUV that I have it takes about 45 minutes to go from 20% to 80%. Under the stats you have quoted above, how long do you think it would take to charge ? Thanks

You must have a special EUV. The charge curves I’ve seen for the Bolt are typically 60 minutes for 20-80%.

In a recent test of the Lyriq, it took Tom from State of Charge 40 min to go from 20-80%. I hope other Ultium EVs end up faster. That’s slower than the competition. Hyundai/Kia take 18 min for 10-80% and Teslas are typically 25 min for 10-80%.

 

[FlyingMachineEV]

You must have a special EUV. The charge curves I’ve seen for the Bolt are typically 60 minutes for 20-80%.

In a recent test of the Lyriq, it took Tom from State of Charge 40 min to go from 20-80%. I hope other Ultium EVs end up faster. That’s slower than the competition. Hyundai/Kia take 18 min for 10-80% and Teslas are typically 25 min for 10-80%.

I started a 20% the other morning on 100 kW charger with EVgo when the charge timed out at an hour I was 86% so from 20 to 80% is approximately 50 minutes when I’m using 100 kW charger, I reach speeds of 51 kWh when I’m using a 50 kW charger I only reach speeds of about 44 kWh so it’s a touch faster.

 

[ProfessorBolta]

I think that GM was unpleasantly surprised by not just owner response, but the media response.

GM has been well aware of the popularity and appears to have been thinking about this for a few years, thats how it works in companies like this anyhow. Several years ago a GM guy was asked why they still sold the Bolt and he said ‘not everybody wants a big car’.


Decisions like this aren’t usually clear cut, but just sort of happen by osmosis. Probably sometime this year it became clear that the Bolt should live on. Probably the biggest determinant is the slow roll out of Ultium, which created tons of popularity for the Bolt.

 

[Pvillerob]

Does this also mean that when my 2023 Bolt EVU battery wears out I'll be able to replace it with an Ultium battery?

in a word, no.

 

[SittingDuck]

My car is completely personalized for me. And my daughter has her own profile that is personalized for her, including different settings for steering, OPD, seats, mirrors, apps, etc. She gets in, hits her profile and the whole car changes -- not just the infotainment system.

I drive two cars, different brands. [Heck, when I was growing up I drove three, all different brands.] The interface to maps/music/etc is the same in both... because it's based on my phone. I don't want to have to pay extra (remember the reason GM has said no AA/CarPlay is they will charge for subscriptions to maps and whatnot) to have to set up my curated list of map favorites, etc, on multiple cars. And of course, if I change that curated list of favorites on my computer, it won't be automatically updated on the cars. It'll be worth it to just go to a vendor like Volvo that is happy to give the owner an AA/CarPlay interface.

 

[wesley]

I started a 20% the other morning on 100 kW charger with EVgo when the charge timed out at an hour I was 86% so from 20 to 80% is approximately 50 minutes when I’m using 100 kW charger, I reach speeds of 51 kWh when I’m using a 50 kW charger I only reach speeds of about 44 kWh so it’s a touch faster.

50-ish minutes sounds reasonable under ideal circumstances, but unfortunately not 45, which you mentioned in the earlier post. It takes about 25 minutes or slightly less to go from 20% to 50% on a 100kW charger, with the charging speed going over 50kW (note: speed is kW, capacity is kWh) all the way through 45%. Then you get about 1% per minute up to around 70% or so, which is another 20 minutes. Then it slows down to about 1% every 1.5 to 2 minutes up to about 85%. So by 45 minutes you'd be in the 70%-ish range, but should be going over 50 minutes by you get to 80%. If Bolt's charging curve wasn't as conservative (e.g. maintaining the top speed up to around 70%), I think 40 to 45 minutes for 20-80% would have been possible even with the 55kW maximum speed.

That being said, moving to Ultium platform for the next iteration of Bolt should do away with this sort of abysmal charging experience since it can do, what, 150kW? Charging speed has been a big sticking point for Bolts so I think going Ultium should solve that.

 

[FlashBoltEUV]

The current generation of the Bolt has only one minor “flaw” and that’s the DC fast charging rate for road trips. The Ultium Bolt remedies that issue, so it can be used for cross-country trips pretty easily. With my life right now, I don’t do a lot of road tripping, so it doesn’t really impact me, but other people with lots of free time might want to go a thousand miles in a day or something. This removes their excuse not to buy the vehicle.

 

[Lite2]

Price, is why I bought my 21Bolt EV, then came the recall. That worked out well for me because I now have a 22EV that I only financed 24k after being upside down on the 21. I couldn't see any offering from this point to make me buy another car. At 58yrs old I do hope for my Bolt to be my last car

 

[jefro]

At 58yrs old I do hope for my Bolt to be my last car

I looked at some retirement tables. If you are 58 you can expect to live to 90. Oddly if you are 105 you can expect to live to 107. Not sure how you get past 90 to 105 yet.

 

[RQuickDraw]

Last year GM announced that the Orion assembly plant will be retooled to build the Silverado EV and the Sierra EV pickup trucks. So where will the new Bolt be made?

 

[MisterJJ]

So where will the new Bolt be made?

Mexico? Maybe it will be the Tornillo. Or maybe the Rayo!

 

[FlashBoltEUV]

Last year GM announced that the Orion assembly plant will be retooled to build the Silverado EV and the Sierra EV pickup trucks. So where will the new Bolt be made?

I assume Mexico.

 

[MisterJJ]

So where will the new Bolt be made?

Or maybe... China.

 

[SteveWilson1983]

RWD! <6s 0-60!

And while we're at it, I wouldn't mind a frunk.. but just get me back to doing rear wheel burnouts, and I'll be happy! 😀

 

[wesley]

Last year GM announced that the Orion assembly plant will be retooled to build the Silverado EV and the Sierra EV pickup trucks. So where will the new Bolt be made?

I wish it'd be made where it all started... in Korea.