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Two tone, black top

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · 12 mo ago

Honest opinions, be hard if you hate it. So I've had this rolling around in my head for awhile now, now that I have a Redline on order, I kind of actually want to follow through, thoughts? How much is this going to cost me to wrap that roof?

Here's black top on white from a quick Photoshop.:

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Here are the Redline accents:

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And here's my Kona Electric sporting a very similar color scheme, I painted the wheels black. So we'd be a penguin family:

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #3 · 12 mo ago

MichBolt said:
I like the black top, but I'd keep the chrome wheels.

Edit: Wouldn't that heat up your interior in the sun? Is that good or bad for you?

Definitely, but I also have sun and sound spec'd which I think probably heats it up more as you're absorbing the heat and subtracting insulation.

I'd want to know what the actual impact is on battery life and cabin temperatures before I go further than selecting colors from the factory. If it's a 30F difference in the cabin for a black top, that could be obviously compelling. If it's a 5F difference because the car is mostly white with just some black accents, do I really care?

Right now I have a theory on temperature based on how cars have always worked. You watch any YouTube right now on colors and they'll show double digit temperature differences. How that translates into practical impacts on EV batteries remains the open question.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #6 · 12 mo ago

MichBolt said:
I feel like (no actual data) the difference in terms of battery temperature will be less than other factors. After all, the temperature of the roof and the temperature of the battery is separated by a compartment full of air, which is a pretty good insulator. And the battery is underneath the car, which is effectively in shade (no direct sunlight on the battery itself). Also, the battery has a lot of thermal mass, so I suspect that other factors like DCFC charging and the ambient temperature of the air has greater influence than the color of the car. So sitting outside in 100F weather will warm up your battery by a similar amount regardless of whether your car is black or white.

Put the opposite way, do you think that a black car will warm up the battery in winter? Or would the cold air have a greater influence in cooling down the battery? Would leaving a black car outside in 20F winter weather result in significantly warmer battery temperatures? It might make the cabin a few degrees warmer, but I don't think it would make much difference for the battery underneath the car.

Poggio said:
My guess is you don't live in a southern tier state. My Bolt is white, and I still practice shade seeking behavior.

Look at me, 3 new threads in one day, but let's take this discussion here because I think there's definitely something to this. The question is how big of an effect is it?

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #8 · 12 mo ago

Sean Nelson said:
I prefer my Kinetic Blue - it just feels more "electric" to me.

Agreed. Our last car was blue, but when we traded it in we got dinged $1,000 because of it. Peak offense as far as my wife is concerned, "we paid more for this color and are getting $1,000 less at the end?"

I agree with her enough to not fight it.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #10 · 12 mo ago

cfhgarza said:
I like it except for the cutoff on the A pillar. If it were me I would just do the roof itself. Like this example

I was half posting this to see what people thought of the cutoff at the a-pillar. I like mine better from a "this is how this kind of thing should be done" standpoint but without the a-pillar ending like the Kona does it can look maybe, off, if you actually notice it. You noticed it.

Here's your idea, which works but I think makes less of a statement overall. Maybe I could black out the roof rails where they're chrome and then wrap the parts that are currently black in the Redline red.

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Adding the accents to the roof rails would be very reminiscent of the Subaru Forester:

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #11 · 12 mo ago

Alternatively you could bring it below that panel seam on the a-pillar and have it end on the crease on the fender and the seam at the hood like so:

This could be the winner.

Part of me wants to delete all the metal like the fake underbody shield and slashes on the skirt. I could wrap all the ground trim shiny black and wrap those in the process. Could even wrap them red (again, reminiscent of the Forester).

The problem with a lot of this is that rear bumper texture where it lips up is just ugly and you kind of want to address it at that point. Not sure I want to address it though lol.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #13 · 12 mo ago

you27 said:
Rav4 XSE

Yeah... do I just like a cliche, overdone thing? I like two-tone roofs. It's the part of me that never got to own a Cooper S.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #15 · 12 mo ago

you27 said:
It's one of those things. It looks good, but do you want to be trying to look like you had something else?

Example. I see people installing aftermarket sequential turn signals. While it looks good, part of me thinks they should have bought an Audi.

Hah, that's project #2, seeing if I can wire the tails on the tail gate to actually be the blinkers. Generally speaking I draw the line at cheap and passes for OEM. Like my Kona wheels I probably never would have done by themselves but I needed winter wheels so I bought junked up Sonata wheels and had them refinished, all in $400. Wrapping only the top of the car should be under $1,000 but who the **** knows in this labor and inflationary market.

I over-obsess over things so I'll generally look at what's on the market, 10 years old, used and see what's selling well and what's selling crappy. Stage 3 turbos with ground fx kits slammed to the ground doesn't sell well. Slightly modified OEM+ sells for more than others. I dunno where to draw that line specifically but I always make sure to try and be way over the line of "value."

Again, the Kona wheels as reference, I could turn around and sell those with TPMS and summer tires on them for what I paid for them. Seeing as I put new tires on them, that's actually tremendous, making your money back on a pair of used tires and rims.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #17 · 12 mo ago

you27 said:
Actually if you could figure out how to wire the rear running lights to be brake and turn signals too, I would be very interested. That's the part I hate the most on the 2022.

I mean, it looks good, but do you want to be trying to look like you had something else?

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #19 · 12 mo ago

you27 said:
I actually thinks it's safer. Most drivers are trained to look up there for brake lights.

I feel like the blinker is worse, short, skinny car, blinker on the bottom part, just seems dumb at face value, "let's check the Federal regulation box"

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #22 · 12 mo ago

cfhgarza said:
Is there a panel line there on the EUV? If so I take back what I said. If there's a panel line it's the right spot to end the black.

No, there's no great solution because of the crease that goes up the a-pillar.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #23 · 12 mo ago

cfhgarza said:
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Harsh

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #26 · 10 mo ago

I don't know that I like it as much with the red accents now that I see it in the configurator.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #28 · 10 mo ago

Martin D said:
I like the bottom one paint job, I have summit white premier. I don’t necessarily like the premier’s wheels, but I am not sure I would like those redline wheels until I see them in person.

I am looking at light weight forged aftermarket matte black for when the first set of tires wear out.

But I think the redline are probably better looking than the premier wheels. The gloss black with shiny highlights has been totally over-done by the every one at this point.

Overdone or becoming accepted as an alternative to chrome/brushed? I'm not quite sure. Could be paisley wall paper equivalent in 10 years, time will tell.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #30 · 10 mo ago

Martin D said:
Bring back the hippie VW bus 🤪

Out of curiosity, how much do they charge for the redline package? Does it have premier package plus for redline?

$500. If it was more I wouldn't have done it but at that price I'm actually pretty confident it'll recoup that cost even 5-10 years down the line. Colors do have a pretty big impact on resale.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #32 · 10 mo ago

you27 said:
I would get the redline package just for the wheels without needing the launch edition. But I would remove those red accents personally.

I think the wheels, it's painted on so you'd have to re-powdercoat the wheels, right? Not worth.

The mirrors should be easy enough.

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RacerX00

Discussion Starter · #35 · 10 mo ago

you27 said:
I thought they were stickers or vinyl, like some of the aftermarket wheels I've seen with red trim. But I can be wrong.

Then it's for sure coming off. Why they thought this looked good is beyond me. Must save money over painted brake calipers and lips.

Badging looks sweet still though:

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