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The paradigm has shifted but the problem remains the same.
Car companies do not know how to make trillions of dollars off EVs.
The average American will spend $50k on a unreliable truck in a second.
Not to mention, they will need a new one in just over 5 years.
I worked at Honda in summer of 2002: they had a much different approach to this industry compared to their American rivals.



EV will require a major shift in industry.
I do not favor their reliability/theft deterrence but KIA/HYUNDAI have the right idea with 4-6 EVs ranging from the kona EV/gas to the eye-popping KIA EV9.

Another important part of this equation is solar panels & home chargers ?
When you have 4-6 good options in your state with strong brands, you will see EV sales skyrocket across brands
 

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I've owned many pickups and they were by far the most reliable vehicles. Simply the fact that they make a million a year and parts + support available everywhere.
Most people won't be able to switch to an EV yet. I can't use a F150EV like my 5.0L F150. Gas is just too powerful, too plentiful, to easy to carry energy to pull 8000#.
 

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I've owned many pickups and they were by far the most reliable vehicles. Simply the fact that they make a million a year and parts + support available everywhere.
Most people won't be able to switch to an EV yet. I can't use a F150EV like my 5.0L F150. Gas is just too powerful, too plentiful, to easy to carry energy to pull 8000#.
Yeah i also dont know anyone that has worn out a truck in 5 years. My buddy plows snow with his tundra and takes it in the woods to get firewood and just now upgraded from an 08.
 

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This is incorrect. GM makes the majority of its money by selling and financing cars. GM, Ford, Toyota, et al, make very little on the repair and maintenance of cars. That money goes to the dealership. The established manufacturers along with the EV startups, have spent a great deal of time and money trying to forecast the sales of EVs and are acting accordingly.

I watched the documentary you provided a link to years ago. Keep in mind that what was the paradigm 25 years ago, no longer holds water. I would think that oil companies would be looking toward the future and installing charging stations at their current gas stations. It would be in their financial interest to do so now as opposed to 25 years in the past.
From the little I know of working as a contractor on several different brands of refineries (and talking with the employees therein) in the last 6 years, the smarter of the oil Corps. are selling their underperforming refineries (due to inability to physically expand them) and investing in various renewable energy solutions.
So, it seems they are (slowly) getting to that point. "...as opposed to 25 years in the past."
 

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From the little I know of working as a contractor on several different brands of refineries (and talking with the employees therein) in the last 6 years, the smarter of the oil Corps. are selling their underperforming refineries (due to inability to physically expand them) and investing in various renewable energy solutions.
So, it seems they are (slowly) getting to that point. "...as opposed to 25 years in the past."
Yes. I think more and more oil companies with try to shift to energy companies. Solar, wind, whatever. At some point, fossil fuels have to be removed from the equation. I don't know how long it will take for this to happen. 25 years ago was probably too soon and 25 years from now will be too late. Now is the time.
 

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Update; Looks like delivery's have slowed or stopped for now, the lot you'll see at Google Earth is nearly half full of bolts judging from my street view ,the other lot has misc trucks including Amazon vans .Don't know how often that Google Earth shot is updated.I saw some dealer plate frames from so cal. Escondido,Burbank, if the batteries where to be replaced seems it could have been done closer to their origin.Looks more like they'll be exported.I,m watching for some out of state deliveries to see how wide this gathering will be,that,s it for now.Happy St Patrick's day ,ya all be green for a day.
 

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Bring out a EV version S10 reg cab truck with 400hp and i will buy.


There are great trucks out there but there are also plenty of trash trucks.
That being said, EVs will not be replacing trucks anytime soon.
No EV made in the next 10 years is gonna replace a tacoma/ F150 or suburban/landcruiser


Particularly when you get a solid used gas truck/SUV for $15-25k.
Im not gonna haul bricks/sticks or off-road in some EV I paid $60-100k for ;-(
 

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There are great trucks out there but there are also plenty of trash trucks.
That being said, EVs will not be replacing trucks anytime soon.
No EV made in the next 10 years is gonna replace a tacoma/ F150 or suburban/landcruiser


Particularly when you get a solid used gas truck/SUV for $15-25k.
Im not gonna haul bricks/sticks or off-road in some EV I paid $60-100k for ;-(
My next door neighbor here in the middle of the city, has a newer F150, and a pretty nice one too, and a club cab 4X4 at that. I've never seen him haul a trailer or anything of major significance in back. Just stuff from the local big box store etc. Mostly he hauls himself and his family around.

He doesn't need it for work either except to get there and back. I'll bet if he wanted to, he could easily replace it with an EV pickup truck within the next few years. And probably for not much more coin. Any extra cost he'd get back in fuel and maintenance savings.
 

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I wouldn't give time frames like "10 years" since this industry is moving ridiculously fast. If you thought the LFP chemistry was "new", VW and car companies in China are starting to deploy sodium ion chemistries in cars already! And I only heard about speculation about sodium ion within the past year!

So we probably won't see solid EV trucks for some time... but I'm afraid to put a number on that!
 

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There are great trucks out there but there are also plenty of trash trucks.
That being said, EVs will not be replacing trucks anytime soon.
No EV made in the next 10 years is gonna replace a tacoma/ F150 or suburban/landcruiser


Particularly when you get a solid used gas truck/SUV for $15-25k.
Im not gonna haul bricks/sticks or off-road in some EV I paid $60-100k for ;-(
I am not a normal truck user. I want SMALL only and REG CAB only and want it as fast as my C6 Vette.
 

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There are great trucks out there but there are also plenty of trash trucks.
That being said, EVs will not be replacing trucks anytime soon.
No EV made in the next 10 years is gonna replace a tacoma/ F150 or suburban/landcruiser


Particularly when you get a solid used gas truck/SUV for $15-25k.
Im not gonna haul bricks/sticks or off-road in some EV I paid $60-100k for ;-(
Transport Evolved News recently reported on information from Ford that most F15ó Lightings sold so far are used to haul / tow 1 or more times per week. Most ICE F150 almost never are.

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