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Greenfan

Discussion Starter · 3 mo ago

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My photos doesn't capture the amount of bolts stored here near me in Antioch calif. I'll estimate 8k after seeing 17 k German diesels stored here during the VW diesel scandal.The first photo was take about a month ago ,maybe 1 k then.Been seeing truck loads of bolts headed this way lately on the highways. I heard a radio news brief (KCBS am740)about a CAN proposal to give $9500 discounts towards a used bolt inorder to get old polluting autos off the road here in central calif said to be in use by low income residents (farm workers) . I'd like to learn more about this if you can direct me to more info if appreciate it.

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Bill14051

· #61 · 2 mo ago

Bill14051 said:
Casual observation isn't the same as fleetwide data.

As for towing,

jefro

· #62 · 2 mo ago

www.motortrend.com

Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test

We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

www.motortrend.com

Dang tests.

FlashBoltEUV

· #63 · 2 mo ago

Most of the people I know with trucks who don’t live in rural areas use their trucks to go to work at their desk job or go to the movies or out to the nightclub. It’s only in rural areas where people actually need trucks to do “truck things.” For the vast majority of truck owners, an EV truck even with current limitations is more than adequate. Within the next 5 years, we’ll see EV trucks can that do “super duty” type activities and then all this talk about towing will stop.

Bill14051

· #64 · 2 mo ago

jefro said:
Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test

We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

www.motortrend.com

Dang tests.

So, back to trying to refute fleet data with a small sample?

jefro

· #65 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

Magically a fleet would do better? Explain how that happens. There is no way a typical maintenance person or contractor or whatever will be driving this truck in a manner to conserve battery.

jreddington

· #66 · 2 mo ago

jefro said:
Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test

We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

www.motortrend.com

Dang tests.

Plus maneuvering into and out of a charging spot with a large trailer every 90 miles (or less) adds a whole other level of inconvenience.

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usedBolt

· #67 · 2 mo ago

jreddington said:
Plus maneuvering into and out of a charging spot with a large trailer every 90 miles (or less) adds a whole other level of inconvenience.

The Rivian chargers at a nearby REI have Level 2 normal pull-in spaces that are free for everybody, and a super high-power DCFC that's only for Rivians, and is pull-through.

Edit: I presume that Tesla sites catering to the Semi would have megawatt chargers and pull-through sites. Just haven't seen any yet.

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jefro

· #68 · 2 mo ago

EV owners need a lot of changes. Roofs?? Why the heck don't we have roofs?? I don't get it.
Placing EVSE's like gas pumps??? Why not. Why pull into a spot, why not just go alongside??
Did I mention roofs?

Shame the Rivians dcfc are only for the Rivian network.

I'd think that Tesla should make lower mega charging at truck stops where drivers can use 8 hours to charge.

boltage

· #69 · 2 mo ago

FlashBoltEUV said:
Most of the people I know with trucks who don’t live in rural areas use their trucks to go to work at their desk job or go to the movies or out to the nightclub. It’s only in rural areas where people actually need trucks to do “truck things.” For the vast majority of truck owners, an EV truck even with current limitations is more than adequate. Within the next 5 years, we’ll see EV trucks can that do “super duty” type activities and then all this talk about towing will stop.

The Ford Maverick Hybrid seems to be a hot seller because it can do the limited number of "truck things" that suburban drivers would like to do (haul bulky or dirty items in the bed that can be hosed out, instead of in the interior), even though it is otherwise more similar to a Focus or Escape in other respects. I.e. it is more like a 37mpg modern Ranchero that is really what the suburban pickup driver actually uses the capability of.

An EV version of such could also be attractive to the subset of those drivers who would want an EV.

But then there are still many suburban drivers who want a full size pickup that they are unlikely to use the extra capability it has over something like a Maverick.

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jreddington

· #70 · 2 mo ago

boltage said:
The Ford Maverick Hybrid seems to be a hot seller because it can do the limited number of "truck things" that suburban drivers would like to do (haul bulky or dirty items in the bed that can be hosed out, instead of in the interior), even though it is otherwise more similar to a Focus or Escape in other respects. I.e. it is more like a 37mpg modern Ranchero that is really what the suburban pickup driver actually uses the capability of.

An EV version of such could also be attractive to the subset of those drivers who would want an EV.

But then there are still many suburban drivers who want a full size pickup that they are unlikely to use the extra capability it has over something like a Maverick.

Or a Maverick plug in hybrid could hit the sweet spot. Enough EV range to cover a good part of a commute plus the ICE for the longer, heavier hauls. Perfect for the weekend warrior.

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jmcbrew

· #71 · 2 mo ago

jefro said:
EV owners need a lot of changes. Roofs?? Why the heck don't we have roofs?? I don't get it.
Placing EVSE's like gas pumps??? Why not. Why pull into a spot, why not just go alongside??
Did I mention roofs?

Shame the Rivians dcfc are only for the Rivian network.

I'd think that Tesla should make lower mega charging at truck stops where drivers can use 8 hours to charge.

I would like a roof if it was solar. As far as why no roof… I would guess it is because we EV drivers don’t need to stand there for three minutes like a bunch of chumps with our hands on a dirty fuel nozzle. But yeah, it would be nice If it was pouring down rain.

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jmcbrew

· #72 · 2 mo ago

jreddington said:
Or a Maverick plug in hybrid could hit the sweet spot. Enough EV range to cover a good part of a commute plus the ICE for the longer, heavier hauls. Perfect for the weekend warrior.

Apparently there is an EV Maverick coming. I would take a hybrid Maverick today if I could get one (for my wife). The wait is something like 450-500 days right now.

CHASBOLT

· #73 · 2 mo ago

jmcbrew said:
Apparently there is an EV Maverick coming. I would take a hybrid Maverick today if I could get one (for my wife). The wait is something like 450-500 days right now.

I Would jump on that if it was a 2 door and had at least 350hp.

Greenfan

Discussion Starter · #74 · 2 mo ago

Maverick hybrid is consumers reports top 10 car choises according to TV news this morning ,37mpg wow,4.5ft bed , ugh , another grocery hauler imatating a truck.Also leaf was the top ev.So much for CR findings,not for me.

NortonCommando

· #75 · 2 mo ago

H8cloz said:
1. These things will also need new 12 volt batteries too. ...
2. Plus, how are they going to charge them?
3. Seems like a bad idea to me, and as a California taxpayer living in the Central Valley, I'm probably paying for it.

1. True
2. At an L2 or DCFC, if the Bolt is so equipped.
3. Your taxes are paying for gm to store these old Bolts? How so? Do you have a reference?

Some tax payers do not want to spend a penny of tax money that is not used for "Me and Mine", correct?

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NortonCommando

· #76 · 2 mo ago

SpicyBolt said:
My next door neighbor here in the middle of the city, has a newer F150, ... I've never seen him haul a trailer or anything ... Mostly he hauls himself and his family around...

He got the memo:
Men Drive Trucks.

It's a style thang!

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jmcbrew

· #77 · 2 mo ago

Greenfan said:
Maverick hybrid is consumers reports top 10 car choises according to TV news this morning ,37mpg wow,4.5ft bed , ugh , another grocery hauler imatating a truck.Also leaf was the top ev.So much for CR findings,not for me.

The current Maverick would be perfect for us. My wife drives a KIA minivan, and getting 19 MPG in local driving is getting old. A pickup the size of a Maverick would be perfect for her to haul the kids and occasionally pick up some mulch or a yard sale dresser.

A lot of people who do in-town driving report getting 42+ MPG with the Maverick hybrid. That’s probably more like the type of driving my wife does 99% of the time. I would love to see a plug-in hybrid version where she could do the majority of her driving on EV mode, but still be able to drive 700 miles to Michigan to visit her parents a couple of time a year without worrying about charging.

H8cloz

· #78 · 2 mo ago

NortonCommando said:
1. True
Yes
2. At an L2 or DCFC, if the Bolt is so equipped. How are farm workers in a makeshift town going to access L2 pr DCFC?
3. Your taxes are paying for gm to store these old Bolts? How so? Do you have a reference? Yes, if we're giving away cars, I'm paying for it.

My comment was in reference to them being used for a CA clean air/car swap program, not about the storage of the Bolts. Not sure that's what they are there for, but it was mentioned as a possibility.

Some tax payers do not want to spend a penny of tax money that is not used for "Me and Mine", correct?

I pay a lot of taxes that go to everyone else, and that's fine as long as the money isn't wasted on bloated California bureaucrats or programs that benefit no one.

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jefro

· #79 · 2 mo ago

Why would Ford use Maverick? Worst car from that time.

Maureen McCarron

· #80 · 2 mo ago

I've owned EV's since 2002 (Prius, GM Volt and now a Bolt). Never wanted a truck. Have Solar panels at my home & a Level 2 charger. Hope I don't need to buy gas EVER again.

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