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Used bolts in mass storage

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Greenfan

Discussion Starter · 3 mo ago

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My photos doesn't capture the amount of bolts stored here near me in Antioch calif. I'll estimate 8k after seeing 17 k German diesels stored here during the VW diesel scandal.The first photo was take about a month ago ,maybe 1 k then.Been seeing truck loads of bolts headed this way lately on the highways. I heard a radio news brief (KCBS am740)about a CAN proposal to give $9500 discounts towards a used bolt inorder to get old polluting autos off the road here in central calif said to be in use by low income residents (farm workers) . I'd like to learn more about this if you can direct me to more info if appreciate it.

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dokbrown

· #81 · 2 mo ago

Bill14051 said:
Casual observation isn't the same as fleetwide data.

most americans are posers.
They talk tough; They pose with g#$ns.
But for those of us doing real work, a used Tacoma/f150 at $15-25k gets the job done. drive thru 2-3 home depots in your corner of the country & you will see what the workhorse of America is. I see RIVIANS when I am in Beverly Hills, Santa Monica & Newport beach. Those people often consider themselves "above blue-collar” work

Sean Nelson

· #82 · 2 mo ago

dokbrown said:
Those people often consider themselves "above blue-collar” work

I don't consider myself "above" blue collar work, I consider myself incompetent at it. I hire people with skills I respect to do it for me.

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PhilipD

· #83 · 2 mo ago

dokbrown said:
Those people often consider themselves "above blue-collar” work

I think it may be the other way around. The people who drive expensive cars don't think of themselves as being above anyone, but rather the blue-collar person applying that label all on their own.

Jim Fallston Md.

· #84 · 2 mo ago

More people will believe what you have to say as long as you use bold print.

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MichBolt

· #85 · 2 mo ago

Jim Fallston Md. said:
More people will believe what you have to say as long as you use bold print.

That's not true.

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FlashBoltEUV

· #86 · 2 mo ago

Sean Nelson said:
I don't consider myself "above" blue collar work, I consider myself incompetent at it. I hire people with skills I respect to do it for me.

I just have a lot going on all the time and I don’t have time to learn how to do every single job in the entire world. So I hire people with particular skills to do some of the work for me.

mattbatt

· #87 · 2 mo ago

HEY OP

Greenfan said:
My photos doesn't capture the amount of bolts stored here near me in Antioch calif. I'll estimate 8k after seeing 17 k German diesels stored here during the VW diesel scandal.The first photo was take about a month ago ,maybe 1 k then.Been seeing truck loads of bolts headed this way lately on the highways. I heard a radio news brief (KCBS am740)about a CAN proposal to give $9500 discounts towards a used bolt inorder to get old polluting autos off the road here in central calif said to be in use by low income residents (farm workers) . I'd like to learn more about this if you can direct me to more info if appreciate it.

Do you know who owns the property? Can you look up the address in the local county property appraisers website? I'd be curriious to know who is responsible.

Greenfan

Discussion Starter · #88 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

mattbatt said:
HEY OP

Do you know who owns the property? Can you look up the address in the local county property appraisers website? I'd be curriious to know who is responsible.

Amports Antioch vehicle processing facility CeqAnet-Ca.gov you may also like this article,Amports& Siem car carriers successfully transit vessel to Antioch

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mattbatt

· #89 · 2 mo ago

I think your link got mangled in translation. Here's a press release with the same title.
I like Big Boats and I Cannot lie.
Also thanks for the follow up.

Greenfan

Discussion Starter · #90 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

Your right it did get mangled.Both addresses worked for me they came right to top of the list.Perhaps AutoSpell changed something .

Greenfan

Discussion Starter · #91 · 2 mo ago

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Deliveries arriving again by the hundreds within a weeks time.

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boltage

· #92 · 2 mo ago

Greenfan said:
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The red and purple stickers were issued in 2018 and 2019 respectively. Seems like most Bolts from that time have become eligible for new batteries. Perhaps this is where lease returns are being stored?

CHASBOLT

· #93 · 2 mo ago

Greenfan said:
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Deliveries arriving again by the hundreds within a weeks time.

My guess is they will never get the new batts or take 20 years to get to them all. GM should really offer everyone that is still waiting at least 6K for all the trouble.

jefro

· #94 · 2 mo ago

No ship would allow these cars if old packs are in them.

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Greenfan

Discussion Starter · #95 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

jefro said:
No ship would allow these cars if old packs are in them.

Your probably right at this time, hopefully fire fighting technology and high finance will catch-up with this situation soon enough to find a home for these orphaned bolts.

XJ12

· #96 · 2 mo ago

No wonder the used car market went crazy if this is happening.

enslay

· #97 · 2 mo ago

Greenfan said:
Your probably right at this time, hopefully fire fighting technology and high finance will catch-up with this situation soon enough to find a home for these orphaned bolts.

Newer, safer, battery technology will likely replace the current chemistries... Ford is already building an LFP battery factory in Michigan. LFP batteries are cheaper to make and a lot less likely to catch fire! Though they are less energy dense than the lithium ion batteries we currently use. There's also Sodium Ion batteries which have the potential to replace all batteries! They're even cheaper to make than lead acid batteries with comparable density to lithium ion! Remains to be seen how they perform in practice... and they are now being used in actual cars in China (with VW in the loop). They're also supposedly less likely to catch fire too. I'm hoping Sodium Ion batteries are successful.

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Sean Nelson

· #98 · 2 mo ago

enslay said:
There's also Sodium Ion batteries which have the potential to replace all batteries!

I have no idea what form the sodium is in these batteries, but my immediate thought is that you'd better not get the cells in those batteries get wet...

enslay

· #99 · 2 mo ago

Sean Nelson said:
I have no idea what form the sodium is in these batteries, but my immediate thought is that you'd better not get the cells in those batteries get wet...

And tell me, what is your immediate thought about eating table salt? Will it corrode your tongue and/or burst into flames because it has sodium in it? Do you worry about your Bolt's batteries producing flammable gases (hydrogen) when exposed to water? Apparently that's what happens when you dunk lithium metal into water (along with a seemingly violent reaction). You can watch that reaction on YouTube too.

I mean, a very brief search of sodium ion batteries in wikipedia will produce a comparison table with a safety column:

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Ironically, there is an aqueous version of sodium ion batteries and they're stated to be the safest of that kind of battery.

Why would anyone want sodium ion batteries to succeed? Because they're extremely inexpensive to produce and everyone can make them with resources that are significantly more abundant than those used in lithium ion batteries. Oh, and they're even safer than already-safe lithium ion batteries!

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Sean Nelson

· #100 · 2 mo ago

enslay said:
Do you worry about your Bolt's batteries producing flammable gases (hydrogen) when exposed to water? Apparently that's what happens when you dunk lithium metal into water (along with a seemingly violent reaction). You can watch that reaction on YouTube too.

Yep, good point!

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