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there's a REAL email that showed up in my inbox from OnStar which instructs the user to click on a link so that they can get free data for their car, and if you click on the link to learn more, it doesn't ask you to sign-in or verify anything, it just automatically signs you up for their program that will bill you $25 a month. The only way to cancel it is to call their call center and explain the situation.

the sign up method was totally automatic and did not even ask me to log into my onstar account, it's really shady!!!! you might want to check your OnStar account if you thought you are just signed up to the free plan because you might see a bill in the next month if you clicked on that email link, perhaps just to learn about the offer.
 

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Looks like they only send it to people with a CC on file.
I have not received this email as of yet, but they don't have a CC on file for me.

They tried to get one the first day I activated my trail account. They were very aggressive in trying to get a card. They're crooks, IMO!
 

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...... email that showed up in my inbox from OnStar which instructs the user to click on a link so that they can get free data for their car, and if you click on the link to learn more,..... it just automatically signs you up for their program that will bill you $25 a month.

......if you thought you are just signed up to the free plan because you might see a bill in the next month if you clicked on that email link, ......

Did you check whether or not the $25 is for the basic OnStar plan, but with free data attached as part of the plan? Normally, you pay for OnStar and then pay extra for the data, which is usually $20 per month for unlimited data, and less for small packages of data.
I know that OnStar comes with special offers every now again that give you a deal of one sort or another. Its normally a good idea to check every now and again to see if a new offer is available that might best your existing plan, if you have one already.


BTW I use OnStar all the time, particularly the navigation which works extremely well for me, and means I don't have to use my phone or iPad to do navigation. The unlimited data is particularly good, because the wireless connection is so strong that I can access the internet wherever I am in my car. Many of the other services are used rather infrequently, and are of marginal use. I am particularly annoyed that OnStar is now trying to tie me to vendors up and down the country, doing such things as ordering donuts before I arrive at a place - what's the point I ask? So, I have not signed up for that particular service. Its another service that uses MY data to sell me more stuff, instead of paying me for my data. Its about time these companies gave very significant discounts to those people who allow their data to be used, and allow us to turn off the data flow at anytime we want. I would luv a button on the dash that puts you in stealth mode, where the data flow is dead, and I can creep about incognito. Who knows when the mafia is following me?
 

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...I use OnStar all the time, particularly the navigation which works extremely well for me, and means I don't have to use my phone or iPad to do navigation.
I've found Android Auto to be brilliant at navigation, so I've never understood why you'd want to pay OnStar to do it. All I have to do is say "OK Google - navigate to <place>" and I'm off to the races. The only thing that OnStar seems to buy me is not having to plug the phone in, but I want to do that anyway so that it can read me my texts when they arrive and I can dictate the responses. Not to mention being able to ask general questions like "what's the weather" and have voice control of my music.
 

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I've found Android Auto to be brilliant at navigation, so I've never understood why you'd want to pay OnStar to do it. All I have to do is say "OK Google - navigate to <place>" and I'm off to the races. The only thing that OnStar seems to buy me is not having to plug the phone in, but I want to do that anyway so that it can read me my texts when they arrive and I can dictate the responses. Not to mention being able to ask general questions like "what's the weather" and have voice control of my music.
This is a bit of a long explanation, but the phrase "I never understood" triggered me. Well, there is often an assumption that a smart phone is essential to everyone and everyone has one. I have not owned a smart phone since Apple's original incarnation of the iPhone. I gave that thing up in disgust for poor reception on the old cellular network, and the final straw when all my favorite apps suddenly would not upgrade or work unless I bought the next version of the phone. A problem that still exists today, and BTW in Europe Apple has been hauled across hot coals for deliberately slowing down phones so that people will buy new ones. I did consider a steadily obsoleting Garmin for navigation, but they are not inexpensive, so I figured I would pay for Onstar and would break even for the next few years.

I use iPads without cellular as I can use the car's wireless cellular internet access which is cheaper than maintaining a smart phone, and is extremely robust as it has such a powerful antenna on the car. For cell phone calls on the road, I use either the car's OnStar cell phone, half an hour free per month, or a dumb phone otherwise. My cellular bill comes to the cost of the car's unlimited internet access plus $100 per year for my dumb phone. So I come out on top financially by not using a smart phone, while I have all the smart phone functionality on my iPads, and wireless internet access for all those big-eyed-character cartoons that my grandchildren watch in the back seat of the Bolt EV - uninterrupted by the roar of an ICE.

I like the onscreen menu driven system on the front dash for music and other functions. I have not tried the car's voice control for music yet, but I use the steering wheel controls for music functions all the time. I find the OnStar navigation to be really solid. It NEVER seems to lose the GPS signal, and corrects easily when you change course, and is also very direct to use with voice control. My usual approach is from one of my iPads, where I put the address into the Chevy app, and the navi is downloaded to the car instantly, and from then on its plain sailing. I have also used voice control to tell the navi where to go, but I prefer the Chevy app as a first choice.

I have used the bad-elf dongle for GPS access on a non-cellular iPad but they are pure junk, often dropping the GPS connection for long periods of time. This drove me to the OnStar navi. I am sure that if I actually decided to go for a smart phone again, it would be fine, but I am happy functionally, and financially with my approach.
 

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I have not owned a smart phone since Apple's original incarnation of the iPhone. I gave that thing up in disgust for poor reception on the old cellular network, and the final straw when all my favorite apps suddenly would not upgrade or work unless I bought the next version of the phone.
OK, I see where you're coming from. I was pretty late to the smart phone party, but I wouldn't be without mine now. I have very few complaints, my major one being that Samsung's high end phones no longer come with a user-replaceable battery.

I wonder if you could use Android Auto / CarPlay on your tablet? That would give you the benefit of navigation with traffic and closure alerts and all the screen-integrated apps without most of the cell phone hassles. Come to think of it, there's no reason you couldn't buy a smartphone without a data plan and use it more or less as you would a tablet, except that you'd have phone calls ability and perhaps texting too. I went without a data plan on my smart phone for 3 years before I caved.

Not trying to pressure you, just throwing out a couple of ideas...
 

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Looks like they only send it to people with a CC on file.
I have not received this email as of yet, but they don't have a CC on file for me.

They tried to get one the first day I activated my trail account. They were very aggressive in trying to get a card. They're crooks, IMO!
Easy solution: Privacy.com This allows creation of no-cost one-time credit cards that can be controlled for frequency, amount, etc. of the charge. I'm using it to drive SirriusXM nuts1
 

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OK,

I wonder if you could use Android Auto / CarPlay on your tablet? That would give you the benefit of navigation with traffic and closure alerts and all the screen-integrated apps without most of the cell phone hassles. Come to think of it, there's no reason you couldn't buy a smartphone without a data plan and use it more or less as you would a tablet, except that you'd have phone calls ability and perhaps texting too. I went without a data plan on my smart phone for 3 years before I caved.

Not trying to pressure you, just throwing out a couple of ideas...
You can do texting from my iPad to any iPhone or other Mac. I find the smart phone screen too small to do much that I do. I really prefer my various iPads and Macs. iPads don't work with Apple Car Play. In my view they should, but they don't. I have no idea about Android. That sounds like something from another planet to me. There is nothing a smart phone can do that I can't do on iPads or Macs EXCEPT hook up to Apple Car Play, which I have proved that I don't need. What amazes me is that OnStar navi really proves you don't really need the maps onscreen in the car while driving, although for really long journeys I do tend to scout out google maps and PlugShare in advance, and I can break out an iPad if necessary. So, I am not persuaded by on-screen maps projected from a phone.
 

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Looks like they only send it to people with a CC on file. I have not received this email as of yet, but they don't have a CC on file for me.
IMO!
One of the OnStar operators told me that these "deals" are targeted quite often to specific groups of customers, and the best way to find out about them is to call up and ask about the latest deal, which you can swap in if it is better than you have. My OnStar bill went down a factor of two last time I did this.
 

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This is a bit of a long explanation, but the phrase "I never understood" triggered me. Well, there is often an assumption that a smart phone is essential to everyone and everyone has one. I have not owned a smart phone since Apple's original incarnation of the iPhone. I gave that thing up in disgust for poor reception on the old cellular network, and the final straw when all my favorite apps suddenly would not upgrade or work unless I bought the next version of the phone. A problem that still exists today, and BTW in Europe Apple has been hauled across hot coals for deliberately slowing down phones so that people will buy new ones.
Speaking of triggers......


Working in tech, I can say that apps not working unless you buy the next version is almost never true. There are several issues at play here. One of those is that app developers, having more powerful CPUs and more memory to work with, write apps that require more of of the device if they are to run. So a lot of that can be put on the shoulders of app developers.



As far as "deliberately" slowing phones, Apple did this, yes, but not not "require" upgrades. Rather, to try and extend battery life. As I'd think folks in this forum would know, battery capacity shrinks over time. Apple thought that as batteries aged, putting less of a load on them might extend their useful life. Apple's error was not communicating this clearly when they did it, probably based on some hubris that no one would notice.



And the network thing is most definitely not Apple's fault. My first iPhone ran on AT&T's 3G network, which, as it turns out, they'd done a horrible job with here in the Bat Area. When I upgraded after a couple of years, I found that they had done a MUCH better job on their 4G/LTE network. Unless there is an actual problem with a specific device's hardware, connectivity issues are almost always the network provider's fault.


That all said, they are not a "need." But considering their capabilities, they make many modern day tasks efficient, easy, and often even pleasant. Which is why when I buy my Bolt, I'll use my iPhone and my Pixel XL for navigation, music, and many of the services that Chevy wants subscription money for.
 

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That all said, they (iphone) are not a "need." But considering their capabilities, they make many modern day tasks efficient, easy, and often even pleasant. Which is why when I buy my Bolt, I'll use my iPhone and my Pixel XL for navigation, music, and many of the services that Chevy wants subscription money for.
Almost, anything an iPhone can do can be done with an iPad. All I do is use an iPad instead of the phone. However, Apple car play does not work with an iPad, so I don't use car play. Is just one app as far as I am concerned. Using OnStar's unlimited wireless internet access and a dumb phone between them let me do anything I need without subscribing to an iPhone. I just subscribe to OnStar instead, it comes out to be a reasonable deal, and I don't have to peer at a small iPhone screen at my advanced age. If you really pushed me into a corner, the iPhone is too small to do all the things I do on my iPads and Macs, and I do a great deal with them, both professionally and for home. I can go on more, but I think I said most of it below. I do think that the OnStar navigation app is vastly underrated. I have used Google Maps for navigation over thousands of miles of long distance driving in my Bolt EV, and switched to OnStar navi with great relief. It really is a robust, clean navigation app, which has worked extremely well for me. Most people comment on OnStar with horror, for reasons that are more reactionary than reasoned, but I find there are no clothes on the critics.
 

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And the network thing is most definitely not Apple's fault. My first iPhone ran on AT&T's 3G network, which, as it turns out, they'd done a horrible job with here in the Bat Area. When I upgraded after a couple of years, I found that they had done a MUCH better job on their 4G/LTE network. Unless there is an actual problem with a specific device's hardware, connectivity issues are almost always the network provider's fault.
The original iPhone worked on the 2G network, and it really was horrible. I gave up phoning people in the end, and only used it on a wireless network. Compared to today's iphones, and the then extant dumb phones, it was nasty when used on 2G, but I loved it on wireless networks, because it had a bunch of apps that were portable, one of which was just plain email. However, I stopped traveling as much, and urgency became less of an issue; i could wait to read my emails, so I dumped the beast. I have two or three of them for sale, if you fancy opening a museum..... just remember, the apps don't work....
 

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They tried to get one the first day I activated my trail account. They were very aggressive in trying to get a card.
I've had my car a month now and today I finally signed up for the basic plan. They did try to get my CC data, I told them that I don't use plastic. Then they wanted my bank account info. I declined.
In the same conversation they offered me the data plan for 3 mo's instead of 1 mo free, if I gave them account info. I believe this is the same plan mentioned in this thread. I declined that too, don't need a hotspot when I'm trying to drive.

FWIW, as soon as they activated my account (I was sitting in car) my clock instantly updated the previously incorrect time. Bottom line, Time setting of "Automatic via Cell tower" should really say Automatic via OnStar. Not having an active OnStar account is what was preventing my clock from maintaining accurate time.
 

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I've had my car a month now and today I finally signed up for the basic plan......... don't need a hotspot when I'm trying to drive.

FWIW, as soon as they activated my account (I was sitting in car) my clock instantly updated the previously incorrect time.
I find the hotspot great for my grandchildren's iPads while ferrying them about; for checking google maps from my non-cellular iPad when on long-distance journeys; checking my home security system when away from home; and numerous other small tasks. My own portable hotspot is just magical for me, AND it is a very powerful hotspot - the cellular reception that drives the wireless connection is rock solid.


As for the updating of clocks remotely, I don't remember them being updated remotely in my 1960s and later cars. I always had to adjust the clocks myself - so what's the big deal? What's new is that our cars are data driven. As I said elsewhere on here, we should be given a discount on services if we allow GM to collect our data, and we need a button on the dash to turn off data flow, so we can drive incognito.
 

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I find the hotspot great for my grandchildren's iPads while ferrying them about; for checking google maps from my non-cellular iPad when on long-distance journeys; checking my home security system when away from home; and numerous other small tasks. My own portable hotspot is just magical for me, AND it is a very powerful hotspot - the cellular reception that drives the wireless connection is rock solid.
Certainly those are great uses of a hotspot. I agree it is magical. I am almost never in a position where your listed reasons fit into my life. This past summer I did have a couple of occasions where I needed to use my iPhone as a hotspot when I was traveling. That is rare and I am not willing to pay for a data plan that is only occasionally needed. I share the minimum data plan with my wife's phone. We rarely use more than a few hundred MB/month. When dcfc becomes built out on the routes I am likely to travel then there may be a very good reason to rethink my decision.

As for the updating of clocks remotely, I don't remember them being updated remotely in my 1960s and later cars. I always had to adjust the clocks myself - so what's the big deal? What's new is that our cars are data driven. As I said elsewhere on here, we should be given a discount on services if we allow GM to collect our data, and we need a button on the dash to turn off data flow, so we can drive incognito.
You are right, this is the very first car I have ever owned that remotely updates the clock. And it's only the second car (of the dozen or so) I have owned in the last 50 years that even came with a clock. The big deal is that there is no information to indicate that 'via cell tower' does not mean what it implies. Put it is the manual and you would not find the few of us folks who never created an OnStar account asking why their clock didn't reset. One of the reasons I did not want an OnStar account is to drive incognito. Incongnito is the reason my internet connection is heavily filtered to block incoming data. It is the reason my file at 4 credit reporting agencies is frozen. Yesterday I found the GM site that allows me to opt-out. It's bookmarked so next week I can look at it more carefully and selectively increase my privacy.
 

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I did not give OnStar my CC info to get the additional 2 months of "free service." It would have automatically renewed after the 3 months. So I did not get the Email referenced in this thread. However, I got the same offer by mail last week. $25 per month for unlimited internet and a pitch for additional services. Since I already use and pay for a smartphone with a data package, I really don't see a need for OnStar.
 

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..... One of the reasons I did not want an OnStar account is to drive incognito. Incongnito is the reason my internet connection is heavily filtered to block incoming data. It is the reason my file at 4 credit reporting agencies is frozen. Yesterday I found the GM site that allows me to opt-out. It's bookmarked so next week I can look at it more carefully and selectively increase my privacy.
Opt-out of what? Do you have the link? If it is merely opting out of OnStar, its my understanding GM still keeps track of you. You will only be opting out of your use of the internet from your car as far as I understand.
 

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Opt-out of what? Do you have the link? If it is merely opting out of OnStar, its my understanding GM still keeps track of you. You will only be opting out of your use of the internet from your car as far as I understand.
Sorry that my comment was confusing. I was referring to opt out of GM marketing. The page containing that info has about a dozen check boxes, I haven't looked at it yet. I commented on that specifically in reference to 'incognito'. As for OnStar, yes, it is also my understanding that the black box under the dash will track you. In my '06 Truck I unplugged it. I don't think I will do that with the Bolt as there are probably too many interconnected do-dads that rely on the info it tracks.

Referring to the Internet: I believe I would need an OnStar data plan to use the Internet via the onboard cell connection (provided by OnStar). I did give them my payment info so the 1 mo free dataplan will expire after 1 mo. I did not sign up for OnStar until about a month after purchasing the car so I believe it has already expired w/o me ever using it.

AFAIK, I have the 5 yr basic plan that is free. What it covers is spelled out at OnStar's site, I don't specifically recall and it doesn't really matter to me. All I wanted was to know how the clock received it's sync signal and by signing up to OnStar and watching it immediately sync at the moment of account activation confirmed that OnStar does it. Now I can wait until March and see if my free basic plan includes clock sync. I presume it does based on a number of comments I've read from folks that say their clock sync'd and they don't pay OnStar anything. But those folks apparently have an account at OnStar. I even still had an OnStar account in their system for my '05 GMC and I haven't paid them a penny in 10+ yrs. and the device has been unplugged for several years.

The link for GM opt-out is: GM Opt-out
 
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