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Hi - does anyone know what the planned battery size is on the "Bolt EUV"?
 

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a belated thanks for the responses. It's frustrating not to have a proper/official announcement or information, but that's up to the maker.
 

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Your guess is as good as anyone's Since it is a bigger and newer version we would hope the capacity is also improved. I may know more in Sept.
When you say you, "hope the capacity is improved", do you mean, "Is the range increased?" There are several bigger EVs now available, with no more range than the 2020 Bolt, some not more than our 217 Bolt, with much higher capacity batteries.
 

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I think the actual battery size is irrelevant. I think it needs a conservative range of at least 250+ miles and whatever size battery that requires. It also needs to fast charge at greater than 100% of energy capacity, i.e: at 70 kWh battery should charge at 75+ kWh.
 

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With a focus more on lower demand charge, a 500 mile highway range EV would allow us to DCFC to 80% with 400 mile range (350 mile driving with 50 mile reserve) and be perfect for long trips. You can DCFC at mid trip for as long as it takes you to use the restroom or eat then continue on your way to check into a hotel/eat at the end of the day and use hotel provided charging.
 

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With a focus more on lower demand charge, a 500 mile highway range EV would allow us to DCFC to 80% with 400 mile range (350 mile driving with 50 mile reserve) and be perfect for long trips. You can DCFC at mid trip for as long as it takes you to use the restroom or eat then continue on your way to check into a hotel/eat at the end of the day and use hotel provided charging.
LOL I read "350 miles driving with 50 mile reserve" as 50 mile reverse. Senior moments can be funny at times!
 

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If its doesnt have 300 range and charge at 100 kw then it wont fly off the shelves
What's your definition of flying off the shelves? In the US, the lack of federal tax credit will mean any GM EV will have lackluster sales.

In my view, 300 miles of range isn't necessarily what the consumer wants. More range comes at a huge price; somewhere around $50 per 1 miles of range, and that's if there's no profit margin on the battery.

I'd like to see EVs offered with a choice in battery capacity, so people that don't want so much don't have to pay for it, and those that want the fastest charging, power, and range, can pay more to get it.
 

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What's your definition of flying off the shelves? In the US, the lack of federal tax credit will mean any GM EV will have lackluster sales.

In my view, 300 miles of range isn't necessarily what the consumer wants. More range comes at a huge price; somewhere around $50 per 1 miles of range, and that's if there's no profit margin on the battery.

I'd like to see EVs offered with a choice in battery capacity, so people that don't want so much don't have to pay for it, and those that want the fastest charging, power, and range, can pay more to get it.
Not necessarily, the target price is $100/KWh battery which we are way ahead of the previous projections. We should get there for all mfg before 2025 (more likely 2021), then EVs become cheaper than gas cars and people will just vote with their wallet.
 

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What's your definition of flying off the shelves? In the US, the lack of federal tax credit will mean any GM EV will have lackluster sales.

In my view, 300 miles of range isn't necessarily what the consumer wants. More range comes at a huge price; somewhere around $50 per 1 miles of range, and that's if there's no profit margin on the battery.

I'd like to see EVs offered with a choice in battery capacity, so people that don't want so much don't have to pay for it, and those that want the fastest charging, power, and range, can pay more to get it.
$50 per 1 mile of charge sounds about right -that's about $150-$200/kWh for the pack. $15,000 for a 300-mile battery actually sounds pretty good. I don't know who would be willing to pay the extra $5000 over a 200-mile battery; everyone's price tolerance is different.

Like you said, we need choices. That's what VW is doing: offering choices. Their ID.3 (and presumably ID.4 when it gets to the US) comes with three battery options - 45kWH, 58kWh, and 77kWh. I'd probaly pick the middle option, as long as it charges reasonably quickly. The Bolt is already kind of in the sweet spot for me.
 

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Not necessarily, the target price is $100/KWh battery which we are way ahead of the previous projections. We should get there for all mfg before 2025 (more likely 2021), then EVs become cheaper than gas cars and people will just vote with their wallet.
Tesla isn't even at that price point yet, and that is at the cell level and not whole battery pack cost, and an SUV will be less efficient (fewer miles / kWh), and manufacturers are all over the place pricewise. Tesla is among the lowest price per kWh at the moment.

I could be very wrong about my price predictions for the upcoming EUV battery, but my point wasn't to speculate the battery cost, but to point out that more range costs more than less range, and consumers are price sensitive. A variety of pricing options would likely allow for more sales than to arbitrarily say it needs 300 miles of range for it to fly off the shelves.
 

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[...]my point wasn't to speculate the battery cost, but to point out that more range costs more than less range, and consumers are price sensitive. A variety of pricing options would likely allow for more sales than to arbitrarily say it needs 300 miles of range for it to fly off the shelves.
On this point, I agree.
 
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